TOPIC: Final Rules for Omni Cube and Omni Orb Posted

It has recently come to my attention that the Omni Cube and Omni Orb program was poorly designed by me. It's sole purpose was to allow folks to make some older Relics (and Legendaries) while utilizing some of the older URs to do so. That was the stated goal, and that remains the goal. However, I did not realize that "gamers will be gamers" and that this system could be taken advantage of for making future tokens. Therefore, we have updated the text for the Omni Cube and Omni Orb to include this information:

-- The current recipes for the Omni Cube and Omni Orb have been made permanent, and they cannot change in the future.

-- The Omni Cube and Omni Orb tokens can only be used to transmute tokens dated 2026 or earlier.

-- Omni Cube and Omni Orb tokens can only be made from URs dated 2018-2026.[/li]

Hi Jeff,

I already acquired some Omni Cubes with intent to use them on 2027 legendaries. Additionally, in my token preorder, my PYP selections were based on my plans to use the Omni Cubes in the 2027 legendaries. If I knew this wasn't allowed, I would have made different PYP selections.

So, while I understand the ruling, can we have 1 more year (allowing 2027) before it's implemented please?

Thank you

That's going to make a number of the 2027 UR basically worthless. The -5 retribution Ioun stone comes top of mind. Certainly there's a better way to word it that doesn't cause a similar issue to the one you were trying to solve originally.

Why not add something like Omni Orbs and Omni Cubes cannot be used for current or previous year Legendary transmutes?

One more issue to add on to my previous post. Since 2027 token sales have started, people may have already purchased "random URs" with intent to turn them into Omni Orbs/Cubes.

Hi Jeff,

I do like the changes you're making, as I think it gets the Omni tokens back to their original intent.

Maybe you shouldn't lock this down for eternity. Maybe say it's locked down for five years, and after that you have the option to modify the recipes and/or allow them to be used in additional years of transmutes. Perhaps in 5 years it might make sense to add 2027 (for example) to the years it could be used, or perhaps market conditions would change to where you need to make an adjustment.

Thanks,
Mike

In principle I support the idea of Omnis not being used to craft brand new (current year) tokens; that never felt like their purpose, and I was surprised when the program originally allowed it.

However, I have two major concerns about your post as written:

1. Permanently fixing the date threshold (at 2026, or anything else) seems short-sighted in the other direction. This year's new tokens will eventually become future years' impossible-to-find old tokens, and then we'll be back in the same boat we were in before. This is easily solved; if you limit their use to tokens which are out of print or at least X years old, rather than a fixed date, then the Omni program can continue to do good things in the future.

2. The timing of this announcement is not good. Had it been made several months ago, I would have felt fine, even great, about changing the rules for 2027. But people are already buying (and awaiting the arrival of) 2027 tokens, and since some of those purchases were based on plans to craft 2027 legendaries using Omnis, it's kind of a feel-bad to yank the rug right now. To alleviate this, I would suggest grandfathering through the 2027 year, rather than 2026.

My suggestion:

Omni Cube
May be used in a Legendary recipe in place of one Relic token that is out of print (its Last Day to Transmute has passed) *or* is dated 2027 or earlier.

Omni Orb
May be used in a Legendary recipe in place of one Ultra Rare, or one Exalted, or one Rare, or one Enhanced, or one Uncommon token – that is out of print (its Last Day to Transmute has passed, and/or it can no longer be purchased from the True Dungeon store) *or* is dated 2027 or earlier.

NB: the "or" clauses will become redundant at the end of 2028, and can be removed at that time.

Alternative mostly-equivalent wording if you don't like "out of print":

... that is dated at least 2 years ago, *or* is dated 2027 or earlier.

Yeah, changing this while people have already made plans about the 2027 tokens is a real gut punch for people who have already planned about the new legendaries, and wanting to make them as soon as possible. Perhaps changing this post 2027 would at least give people enough warning ahead of time to adjust plans. Right now, this seems like an over correction for something that was never hinted towards at all.

Reap wrote: One more issue to add on to my previous post. Since 2027 token sales have started, people may have already purchased "random URs" with intent to turn them into Omni Orbs/Cubes.

This certainly was my intention.

David Zych wrote: In principle I support the idea of Omnis not being used to craft brand new (current year) tokens; that never felt like their purpose, and I was surprised when the program originally allowed it.

However, I have two major concerns about your post as written:

1. Permanently fixing the date threshold (at 2026, or anything else) seems short-sighted in the other direction. This year's new tokens will eventually become future years' impossible-to-find old tokens, and then we'll be back in the same boat we were in before. This is easily solved; if you limit their use to tokens which are out of print or at least X years old, rather than a fixed date, then the Omni program can continue to do good things in the future.

2. The timing of this announcement is not good. Had it been made several months ago, I would have felt fine, even great, about changing the rules for 2027. But people are already buying (and awaiting the arrival of) 2027 tokens, and since some of those purchases were based on plans to craft 2027 legendaries using Omnis, it's kind of a feel-bad to yank the rug right now. To alleviate this, I would suggest grandfathering through the 2027 year, rather than 2026.

My suggestion:

Omni Cube
May be used in a Legendary recipe in place of one Relic token that is out of print (its Last Day to Transmute has passed) *or* is dated 2027 or earlier.

Omni Orb
May be used in a Legendary recipe in place of one Ultra Rare, or one Exalted, or one Rare, or one Enhanced, or one Uncommon token – that is out of print (its Last Day to Transmute has passed, and/or it can no longer be purchased from the True Dungeon store) *or* is dated 2027 or earlier.

NB: the "or" clauses will become redundant at the end of 2028, and can be removed at that time.

Alternative mostly-equivalent wording if you don't like "out of print":

... that is dated at least 2 years ago, *or* is dated 2027 or earlier.

I agree with this sentiment.

Like, if you are going to limit things, I think we need warning much further out in advance, for this kind of thing. Let's push changes back to after 2027, so it doesn't mess up the plans of people who have already made plans.

Jeff Martin wrote: -- Omni Cube and Omni Orb tokens can only be made from URs dated 2018-2026.

Reminder that the Mythic tokens (other than Coin of Wealth) each require 2x Omni Orb in the recipe. This will make it awkward to transmute Mythic tokens, as we'll have to find 2018-2026 URs to make the Omni Orbs.

Reap wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: -- Omni Cube and Omni Orb tokens can only be made from URs dated 2018-2026.

Reminder that the Mythic tokens (other than Coin of Wealth) each require 2x Omni Orb in the recipe. This will make it awkward to transmute Mythic tokens, as we'll have to find 2018-2026 URs to make the Omni Orbs.

Hadn't even considered that aspect of it, and yeah, that's going to cause even more problems down the road.

Can we at least table this conversation to take in effect in 2028, so we can talk about all the issues that come into focus with this change in how things work?