TOPIC: Rules Clarification Needed: Relics

Question:
If I am reading correctly, a player can use two +3 Viper Strike Fangs if they are a Ranger or Monk as it is a Relic and not subject to the only 1 item of a name rule, correct?

IF SO, does this also apply to the Icecrag Hero's Charm? Or the Ring of Greater Spell Focus? Can a player wear two of these?

Thanks much...

No. 2 VSF can be used because they are weapons. They add to the set bonus because they are relics.

Thanks!

I thought two of the same item never added. Thast's why I'm using one relic and one UR.

henwy wrote: I thought two of the same item never added. Thast's why I'm using one relic and one UR.

Weapons are the exception, although I think the Viper Strike set is the only exception right now. Also it only counts for Relic and Legendary level tokens.

From the DMG (pg. 14):

Set Bonuses & Duplicate Weapons
If both the weapons being wielded are part of the same set and are either Relics (blue title with a ***** near the bottom) or Legendaries (orange title and backing), they count as two items toward fulfilling that set’s quota. E.g., when trying to qualify for the Viper Strike set bonus, a monk could wield two +3 VIPER STRIKE FANGS (Relics) and wear one other Viper Strike item to qualify for the Viper Strike set bonus. Similarly, a ranger could wield two ASHER’S +5 VIPER STRIKE FANGS and they would count as two items toward the Viper Strike set. Wielding two +2 VIPER STRIKE FANGs (Ultra Rares) would only count as a single item toward the set’s quota because neither of those are Relics or Legendaries.
A character capable of wielding two weapons may wield two weapons with the same name regardless of rarity, but they only count as two items toward fulfilling a set bonus if both are either Relics or Legendaries. Putting it another way, wielding two same-named Common, Uncommon, Rare, Ultra Rare, Enhanced (***), or Exalted (****) weapons only count as a single item toward qualifying for a set bonus, but wielding two same-named Relic (*****) or Legendary weapons counts as two items toward the set.
Different-named set-piece weapons count as two items toward the set’s quota, regardless of rarity.
Note: Other than weapons and RUNESTONE FITTING BASEs, no character may equip more than one item of the same name—no matter what rarity the items are.

Cookie to you! Now where is the cookie! LOL

That must've slipped by me at some point. Also...what a stupid loophole to what had been such a simple rule. No token should ever duplicate its effect when two of them are used. There was no reason to create this work-around just for relics and it's completely non-intuitive to boot. If, for some reason, there were only two items in the viper strike set it might be somewhat justifiable but still.

henwy wrote: That must've slipped by me at some point. Also...what a stupid loophole to what had been such a simple rule. No token should ever duplicate its effect when two of them are used. There was no reason to create this work-around just for relics and it's completely non-intuitive to boot. If, for some reason, there were only two items in the viper strike set it might be somewhat justifiable but still.

While I dislike loopholes like this, I can see the logic behind it:

A player has a +2 Fang and a +3 Fang. He doesn't have the resources to make a +5. If it upgrades the +2 to +3, he loses the set bonus.

With this exception, he isn't "penalized" for upgrading his second Fang from +2 to +3.

Incognito wrote:

henwy wrote: That must've slipped by me at some point. Also...what a stupid loophole to what had been such a simple rule. No token should ever duplicate its effect when two of them are used. There was no reason to create this work-around just for relics and it's completely non-intuitive to boot. If, for some reason, there were only two items in the viper strike set it might be somewhat justifiable but still.

While I dislike loopholes like this, I can see the logic behind it:

A player has a +2 Fang and a +3 Fang. He doesn't have the resources to make a +5. If it upgrades the +2 to +3, he loses the set bonus.

With this exception, he isn't "penalized" for upgrading his second Fang from +2 to +3.

Yeah, and if somebody was insane enough to wield two +5 VSFs...

Kirk Bauer wrote: Yeah, and if somebody was insane enough to wield two +5 VSFs...

Only with your wife's permission!!

joshua baessler wrote:

henwy wrote: I thought two of the same item never added. Thast's why I'm using one relic and one UR.

Weapons are the exception, although I think the Viper Strike set is the only exception right now. Also it only counts for Relic and Legendary level tokens.

From the DMG (pg. 14):

Set Bonuses & Duplicate Weapons
If both the weapons being wielded are part of the same set and are either Relics (blue title with a ***** near the bottom) or Legendaries (orange title and backing), they count as two items toward fulfilling that set’s quota. E.g., when trying to qualify for the Viper Strike set bonus, a monk could wield two +3 VIPER STRIKE FANGS (Relics) and wear one other Viper Strike item to qualify for the Viper Strike set bonus. Similarly, a ranger could wield two ASHER’S +5 VIPER STRIKE FANGS and they would count as two items toward the Viper Strike set. Wielding two +2 VIPER STRIKE FANGs (Ultra Rares) would only count as a single item toward the set’s quota because neither of those are Relics or Legendaries.
A character capable of wielding two weapons may wield two weapons with the same name regardless of rarity, but they only count as two items toward fulfilling a set bonus if both are either Relics or Legendaries. Putting it another way, wielding two same-named Common, Uncommon, Rare, Ultra Rare, Enhanced (***), or Exalted (****) weapons only count as a single item toward qualifying for a set bonus, but wielding two same-named Relic (*****) or Legendary weapons counts as two items toward the set.
Different-named set-piece weapons count as two items toward the set’s quota, regardless of rarity.
Note: Other than weapons and RUNESTONE FITTING BASEs, no character may equip more than one item of the same name—no matter what rarity the items are.

That is one really confusing ruling. I'd prefer Relics and Legendaries be treated the same way as UR's and below - you can use two weapons of the same name, but they don't double-count for the set bonus. Was this ruling just a way to try to incentivize people to transmute to get Relics and Legendary weapons?

Mike Steele wrote: That is one really confusing ruling. I'd prefer Relics and Legendaries be treated the same way as UR's and below - you can use two weapons of the same name, but they don't double-count for the set bonus. Was this ruling just a way to try to incentivize people to transmute to get Relics and Legendary weapons?

I think it wasn't so much to incentivize: people were lining up to throw GP and trade items into this transmute. It was to keep from punishing people who upgraded, and lost their set bonus.