TOPIC: Unfortunate Token Predator News

I am kinda freaked out that people carry enough cash on them to even make these kind of deals. ANyway most of the time I only trade for monster bits my general default trade is 2 rares for a monster bit. I already feel weird enough carrying around a couple grand in tokens with me, frankly I don't want that much cash on me as well. Guess each to their own.

The advice I give newbies regarding relative values on secondary market is:
Commons 10 to 25 cents
Uncommons 50 to 75 cents
Rares 1.50 to 1.75
Gold at 20 cents per (100 GP being 2 dollars)
Trade tokens 3.50 to 75 depending on which one with most at 3.50
Monster bits at 7.50
3 point enhanced light blue tokens at 3 to 18
4 point enhanced light blue tokens at 50
URs at 100
Legendary at 1000
GP and monster bits are used to transmute to better tokens
See MasterEd or Kirk for questions

Example: rare is equivalent to 75GP, monster bit is equivalent to 5 rares, etc.

I get asked in coaching room a fair amount and i generally (if asked) give a quick note of in print current rares are a couple of bucks and most current UR's are 100ish and if you see an orange token start at a grand.

-Hawk I'll admit i'm a little torqued from Fri night when you watched my guys (i hosted a run for my local guys that don't do gencon) pull and you were quick to throw money figures out. I now understand the why but it peeved me a bit to be honest. I pulled nothing special but between my newbies a Blessed plate, 2 icecrags, and Blessed shirt got pulled plus random UR pants.

My word to my new guys was since they paid for the tickets they keep all pulls, the few that i run with already (ie my brother and friend) i get their stuff for the group collection/benefit in future runs/cons.

edwin wrote: The advice I give newbies regarding relative values on secondary market is:
Commons 10 to 25 cents
Uncommons 50 to 75 cents
Rares 1.50 to 1.75
Gold at 20 cents per (100 GP being 2 dollars)
Trade tokens 3.50 to 75 depending on which one with most at 3.50
Monster bits at 7.50
3 point relics at 18 i.e. enhanced creeper amulet
4 point relics at 50 i.e. exhalted vreeper amulet
URs at 100
Legendary at 1000
GP and monster bits are used to transmute to better tokens
See MasterEd or Kirk for questions

Example: rare is equivalent to 75GP, monster bit is equivalent to 5 rares, etc.

I think these are pretty good. I would say Enchanced(they are not 3 star Relics) are cheaper than 18. I would say closer to 5 to 10. Shirt of Baneful Prowess is the only one that would be more than 10. Exhalted (again not a 4 star Relics) are not 50ish. Though the Shirt of Blessed Strength is more than $50. That said I think the rest is pretty good. You don't have Relics listed (which are 5 star) and the vary greatly but I think saying $100 to $300 is fair.

There was a player at TDC that tried this on me. I have been playing since 2007, I laughed in his face and told him to GFOH. He was hovering over me during my pulls to see what I got. It was extremely annoying especially since I ran with him. That said, I was not too surprised as he acted like complete tool from the get go. It was one of the extremely rare moments a TD player truly irked and annoyed me.

I share most of Matt Hayward's view of this topic. I think a lot of it will be subjective and I definitely do not think it's an epidemic to over worry about, just something to watch for. Anyone with an ounce of street smarts should be able to spot a swindler.

JACKOFTRADZE wrote: I share most of Matt Hayward's view of this topic. I think a lot of it will be subjective and I definitely do not think it's an epidemic to over worry about, just something to watch for. Anyone with an ounce of street smarts should be able to spot a swindler.

Maybe but I don't want anyone that plays TD for the first time to think we have swindlers whether they can spot them or not. I know if that was my first experience with TD it would make me consider if it is not a community I want to be a part of.

I think unless they are informed, newbies may have no reason to believe that their treasure pulls might be able to be sold for more than they paid for their run (potentially even 30x what they paid for their run). TD could be the first exposure someone has to a game with a collectible aspect to it.

So, letting them know that this is a possibility is very useful information for them to have.

However, I do think it gets tricky to say that certain rarities of tokens go for certain values, since that depends on how quickly they are trying to sell them and a host of other factors.

JACKOFTRADZE wrote: Anyone with an ounce of street smarts should be able to spot a swindler.

Perhaps, but the highlighted words indicate the flaw in that argument. There are a LOT of folks who literally have zero street smarts.

jedibcg wrote:

JACKOFTRADZE wrote: I share most of Matt Hayward's view of this topic. I think a lot of it will be subjective and I definitely do not think it's an epidemic to over worry about, just something to watch for. Anyone with an ounce of street smarts should be able to spot a swindler.

Maybe but I don't want anyone that plays TD for the first time to think we have swindlers whether they can spot them or not. I know if that was my first experience with TD it would make me consider if it is not a community I want to be a part of.

I truly share your sentiment of not wanting swindlers in the TD community but unfortunately in life, you can't everything you want. You cannot control human nature or police it 24/7. This kind of individual is going to be there, no one here will be able to stop them 100% of the time. I mentioned my TDC experience for a reason, that event as a whole had more experienced players in attendance yet, some fool tried it on me and others. I do not blame TD for that, I blame the individual as it was their conscious choice. I was swindled my first time in 2007 and again in 2008, it did not sour my mood at all!

Anyone who uses the actions of one or a few to judge the whole is pretty ignorant (and overly emotional) in my opinion. There comes a point where personal responsibility on both sides comes into play. I respectfully think that is a key component missing in this discussion thus my point of spotting swindlers. I took some personal responsibility for my negative experiences. I wanted better gear ASAP and my over eagerness made me more susceptible to being taken advantage of. Even worse, I knew I was not getting the best deal at the time so I share some of the blame. That in a nutshell, is all I am saying, not trying to argue I just accept the reality of you cannot prevent greed.

I think one remedy to help dissuade Token predators is some friendly poster posted around the TD area. Something along the lines of "Know your Treasure". After all Knowing is half the battle!

Druegar wrote:

JACKOFTRADZE wrote: Anyone with an ounce of street smarts should be able to spot a swindler.

Perhaps, but the highlighted words indicate the flaw in that argument. There are a LOT of folks who literally have zero street smarts.

I'm more of a tarmak smarts kinda guy .. usually after bouncing off it.

Druegar wrote:

JACKOFTRADZE wrote: Anyone with an ounce of street smarts should be able to spot a swindler.

Perhaps, but the highlighted words indicate the flaw in that argument. There are a LOT of folks who literally have zero street smarts.

LOL, I concede that point!

Steve wrote:

Druegar wrote:

JACKOFTRADZE wrote: Anyone with an ounce of street smarts should be able to spot a swindler.

Perhaps, but the highlighted words indicate the flaw in that argument. There are a LOT of folks who literally have zero street smarts.

I'm more of a tarmak smarts kinda guy .. usually after bouncing off it.

Don't be hard on yourself, experience always comes after the fact. I was hit with a MAC truck in 2007 & 2008.