TOPIC: Please post your questions here

Was wondering whether:

1) since the treasure is 2016, the chips be '16 or '17. Just this one time to get things aligned for the 2017 season, I think for Origins we will just have players draw all their treasure tokens at the end of the adventure. No chips will be used. The party card will be used in their place.


2) the new convention schedule will affect the release dates for modules and YouTube riddle reveals. Not the modules, but perhaps the Riddle Reveal videos. We are looking at a number of things.


3) you'd rather be attacked by a horse-sized duck or 100 duck-sized horses Yes

Jeff Martin wrote: Was wondering whether:

1) since the treasure is 2016, the chips be '16 or '17. Just this one time to get things aligned for the 2017 season, I think for Origins we will just have players draw all their treasure tokens at the end of the adventure. No chips will be used. The party card will be used in their place.

I'm trying to figure out how to solve a problem. Say I want to buy out a run and resell the tickets to newbies at a big discount. I supply prebuilt characters and party card, babysit them as an itinerant "coach" through the dungeon, and in exchange get a big chunk of the treasure. They keep 4 loots and I get 12. Seems a win-win.

I don't want to say "you draw and I pick mine from yours," because that's sleazy.

Handing me treasure chips at the end has been problematic in the past. People tend to wander off.

Me hovering over everyone to help them draw is going to be annoying for everyone concerned.

Not sure the coaches want to get involved in the math of writing "125" by my name and "4" by everyone else.

Probably no good answer.

3) you'd rather be attacked by a horse-sized duck or 100 duck-sized horses Yes

Me too!

I saw this in the newsletter:

"Rules for Treasure Enhancing Tokens

We'd much appreciate it if players would refrain from loaning out treasure-enhancing tokens -- especially if you are not going on the run. If players are going to claim the use/benefit of a treasure enhancing token, they must show it to the Coach AND retain it on their person throughout the whole adventure. And then they must show these tokens to the person in the Epilogue Room to claim their bonus Treasure Chips. I am sorry we have to go to these measures, but things got a wee bit out of hand last year. Thank you for your understanding in this matter."

I want to be a good citizen, but I'm not sure how to interpret this. I have URTEs that I loan out, free of charge or barter, to other people on my runs. Often the people on my runs are my friends who I have bought out the run for. Sometimes they are strangers who are in a run I'm on.

I totally understand the desire to clamp down on loaning tokens in the scenario where some entrepreneurial person is renting them out and they are doing double, triple, etc. duty in terms of simultaneous runs.

I'm wondering if there could be an exemption for other people who are on runs with the owner of the token, in the case that there is nothing of value exchanged for the loan?

Matthew Hayward wrote: I saw this in the newsletter:

"Rules for Treasure Enhancing Tokens

We'd much appreciate it if players would refrain from loaning out treasure-enhancing tokens -- especially if you are not going on the run. If players are going to claim the use/benefit of a treasure enhancing token, they must show it to the Coach AND retain it on their person throughout the whole adventure. And then they must show these tokens to the person in the Epilogue Room to claim their bonus Treasure Chips. I am sorry we have to go to these measures, but things got a wee bit out of hand last year. Thank you for your understanding in this matter."

I want to be a good citizen, but I'm not sure how to interpret this. I have URTEs that I loan out, free of charge or barter, to other people on my runs. Often the people on my runs are my friends who I have bought out the run for. Sometimes they are strangers who are in a run I'm on.

I totally understand the desire to clamp down on loaning tokens in the scenario where some entrepreneurial person is renting them out and they are doing double, triple, etc. duty in terms of simultaneous runs.

I'm wondering if there could be an exemption for other people who are on runs with the owner of the token, in the case that there is nothing of value exchanged for the loan?

I also completely agree on not loaning out TE tokens if you are not on the run makes perfect sense to me. But to not loan them out on a run makes no sense for synergy TE's like CoA and CoGF. If the rest of your party doesn't have them yours actually is less valuable. So yes a clarification on this would be nice.

It makes me wonder if the stock of treasure is running low.

I completely agree regarding loaning tokens if you are not on the run. I agree with the no ghosting for treasure at TDC. Although I'd like to be able to equip a ghost for the sole purpose of having full treasure for the real players.

I also wonder if we will be able to save treasure tokens for GenCon or if the "draw them now, no tokens" system that will prevail at Origins will be the case at TDC.

Harlax wrote: It makes me wonder if the stock of treasure is running low.

Possibly but it going to be the treasure for Origins as well so it would surprise if TE's would make such an affect at TDC that he would need to worry about having it for Origins as well. TDC is so much more limited and most of us going I am guessing are already max treasure.

I don't think Gen Con is anywhere near this way but it wouldn't surprise me if half the ticket holders for TDC had max TE tokens.

600 tickets is a drop in the bucket compared to what Origins is likely to have I would guess if it sells out is in the 2000-3000 range.

Jeff Martin wrote: Was wondering whether:


3) you'd rather be attacked by a horse-sized duck or 100 duck-sized horses Yes

I'll take the duck sized horses.


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It sounds like there were a few cases last year of people "loaning" Avarice Charms to players on concurrent runs where the actual token was not present in the run it was used for. Potentially they had 1 Charm of Avarice boosting treasure on 2 or 3 runs at the same time.

Potentially the Charm of Avarice in question didn't even exist?

Seems like we are safe to loan to players where the physical token will be present for the entire run and can be validated at any time. Just not situations where the token in question is not physically present.

The following is speculation on my part. TPTB did not communicate this scenario to me. Furthermore, they did not communicate any actions regarding how this jackassery will be dealt with in the future.

I have a feeling there were some dickweeds who flashed their TEs to a coach long enough to get the party card filled out, then surreptitiously passed the TEs to someone in another group. I realize gamers are going to try to game whatever system they come in contact with and said behavior may have short-term gains, but this kind of crap only ruins the experience for legitimate players. Sooner or later TPTB will realize what's happening and will be forced to lock-down TEs.

I suspect (again, these are my own personal feelings, not an official proclamation) TPTB are not particularly concerned about tokenholics lending out TEs to people on the run with them. I think they are more focused on obvious chicanery.

To the folks who knowingly cheated: I'm sure you will enjoy your ill-gotten gains. If the rest of us get screwed because of you, I'm certain you'll get a kick out of that as well. To you people, I have two words. The first one is a verb.

Druegar wrote: The following is speculation on my part. TPTB did not communicate this scenario to me. Furthermore, they did not communicate any actions regarding how this jackassery will be dealt with in the future.

I have a feeling there were some dickweeds who flashed their TEs to a coach long enough to get the party card filled out, then surreptitiously passed the TEs to someone in another group. I realize gamers are going to try to game whatever system they come in contact with and said behavior may have short-term gains, but this kind of crap only ruins the experience for legitimate players. Sooner or later TPTB will realize what's happening and will be forced to lock-down TEs.

I suspect (again, these are my own personal feelings, not an official proclamation) TPTB are not particularly concerned about tokenholics lending out TEs to people on the run with them. I think they are more focused on obvious chicanery.

To the folks who knowingly cheated: I'm sure you will enjoy your ill-gotten gains. If the rest of us get screwed because of you, I'm certain you'll get a kick out of that as well. To you people, I have two words. The first one is a verb.

+1 to all of this.

Druegar wrote: The following is speculation on my part. TPTB did not communicate this scenario to me. Furthermore, they did not communicate any actions regarding how this jackassery will be dealt with in the future.

I have a feeling there were some dickweeds who flashed their TEs to a coach long enough to get the party card filled out, then surreptitiously passed the TEs to someone in another group. I realize gamers are going to try to game whatever system they come in contact with and said behavior may have short-term gains, but this kind of crap only ruins the experience for legitimate players. Sooner or later TPTB will realize what's happening and will be forced to lock-down TEs.

I suspect (again, these are my own personal feelings, not an official proclamation) TPTB are not particularly concerned about tokenholics lending out TEs to people on the run with them. I think they are more focused on obvious chicanery.

To the folks who knowingly cheated: I'm sure you will enjoy your ill-gotten gains. If the rest of us get screwed because of you, I'm certain you'll get a kick out of that as well. To you people, I have two words. The first one is a verb.

See I think there was speculation that this happened not actually proof that it did, or else I would think Jeff would slap a short term ban on whomever did it. And then again maybe he did and we just don't know, but I would hope if someone did it they got punished in some way. There cannot be too many folks with 10 CoA (HoP, CoGF, RoR) out there can there. I still support very much having TE tokens travel with the party through the whole dungeon because even if it wasn't done at Gen Con someone will do it.

But that isn't the portion that made Matthew point it out or me think about it. It is is a request to refrain from loaning out TE tokens. That is what seems unusual to me.

jedibcg wrote:

Druegar wrote: The following is speculation on my part. TPTB did not communicate this scenario to me. Furthermore, they did not communicate any actions regarding how this jackassery will be dealt with in the future.

I have a feeling there were some dickweeds who flashed their TEs to a coach long enough to get the party card filled out, then surreptitiously passed the TEs to someone in another group. I realize gamers are going to try to game whatever system they come in contact with and said behavior may have short-term gains, but this kind of crap only ruins the experience for legitimate players. Sooner or later TPTB will realize what's happening and will be forced to lock-down TEs.

I suspect (again, these are my own personal feelings, not an official proclamation) TPTB are not particularly concerned about tokenholics lending out TEs to people on the run with them. I think they are more focused on obvious chicanery.

To the folks who knowingly cheated: I'm sure you will enjoy your ill-gotten gains. If the rest of us get screwed because of you, I'm certain you'll get a kick out of that as well. To you people, I have two words. The first one is a verb.

See I think there was speculation that this happened not actually proof that it did, or else I would think Jeff would slap a short term ban on whomever did it. And then again maybe he did and we just don't know, but I would hope if someone did it they got punished in some way. There cannot be too many folks with 10 CoA (HoP, CoGF, RoR) out there can there. I still support very much having TE tokens travel with the party through the whole dungeon because even if it wasn't done at Gen Con someone will do it.

But that isn't the portion that made Matthew point it out or me think about it. It is is a request to refrain from loaning out TE tokens. That is what seems unusual to me.

Not that we would get an answer but i'm curious as to how many 10 CoA 'sets' are actually out there. I can think of a few obvious players/groups but would believe the # to be low in actuality.

Are we in our own small forum bubble realizing yet again there is a large portion of the player base who are not active on the forums and skewing perspective?

Overall I definitely agree that the tokens must carry through the run. Just would like a definition of is it okay for a run organizer/sponsor (say owner of a 'set') to hold them or does each player need to physically show it at end of run?