TOPIC: Alert! Fake Tokens...

I'm sure they're already aware that there are fakes floating out there. I heard stories of people trying to pass them some a few years ago during the convention. Those were just as easily spotted like those fake treasure draw ones. That's really what the difference is...if these supposed new fakes are of the same quality as all the fakes we've had in the past then there's not much to worry about. A little care, a little dilegence and it's hard for them to enter the market and get passed about. If the quality level has really gone up and the fakes are of far higher quality then it could be a problem. Of course, because everyone is keeping mum we have no idea what the situation is, what the fakes look like or who is passing them. I really don't understand why that is the case, I really don't. Maybe the idea is that showing fakes makes other people more likely to attempt to make fakes? And of course, I _really_ don't understand the motivation between not naming the people who the fakes came from. If that person isn't ultimately responsible, they can at least tell us where they got them from and so on down the line. Tokens don't change that many hands. It's not like a quarter.

henwy wrote: I'm sure they're already aware that there are fakes floating out there. I heard stories of people trying to pass them some a few years ago during the convention. Those were just as easily spotted like those fake treasure draw ones. That's really what the difference is...if these supposed new fakes are of the same quality as all the fakes we've had in the past then there's not much to worry about. A little care, a little dilegence and it's hard for them to enter the market and get passed about. If the quality level has really gone up and the fakes are of far higher quality then it could be a problem. Of course, because everyone is keeping mum we have no idea what the situation is, what the fakes look like or who is passing them. I really don't understand why that is the case, I really don't. Maybe the idea is that showing fakes makes other people more likely to attempt to make fakes? And of course, I _really_ don't understand the motivation between not naming the people who the fakes came from. If that person isn't ultimately responsible, they can at least tell us where they got them from and so on down the line. Tokens don't change that many hands. It's not like a quarter.

unfortunately i dont write down peoples names and take pictures when i deal with them in person(i may now)..i do know what he looks like...i didnt get a forum handle name...but when i see them i will confront them

It's understandable considering how many people you probably deal with. I'm crappy with names myself but after a while you tend to recognize almost everyone by sight if nothing else. If you ever do see him again, let us know. He might say that he got them from someone else, but if like I said before...a counterfeiter in order to make this sort of thing profitable has to move a good chunk of inventory. No one is going to go through the effort of making a bunch of fakes to only pass 1 or 2. So if that person ends up being the terminus for a bunch of fakes and can't say where he in turn got them from...it's a fairly safe bet.

Eversuede wrote:

Kirk Bauer wrote:

Josh Coopman wrote: I purchased many of the tokens from what I believed to be trusted sources on these forums and on Ebay, from folks that frequent these forums. It's likely the folks selling them were not aware of the authenticity of them either.

Wow, that sucks. Josh I had a panic and looked through your history with me and as far as I can tell you didn't buy any Rod segments from me, but let me know if I missed anything.

Jeff, I understand that you might not want to publicize how you know they were fake, however as somebody who buys lots of tokens both directly from True Dungeon and also from other sellers, and then resells them, I'd love to know how to identify if I have any fakes. I feel like I would notice but then again I don't know what I'm looking for.

I have seen quite a few tokens from being the bag checker because I was also the guy that multi-task with being charge of the pulling treasure box and few example like one with if it different year printed on the tokens than the year that tokens is designator for as 1x/5x tokens has to talk to Administrator like Lori because we were told it has to go through them first before outright accept it. Then one year of some time ago I received a token of 10,000 GP Adamantium Bar that the texture of paper label seem thinner and gloss shine with five dimple on the circle pattern around tight center. So I took a picture of it and send it to Jeff e-mail to confirm it was or was not real from a reliable source website store that I had plenty of purchase and exchange for cash. So Jeff got back to me and confirm it was real enough by him. Then around the same times by had discussion in the forum about making proxy tokens out of the weapon that can be very expensive. We make it pretty obvious by printed in black and white photo with stamped or printed legibility "Proxy" in red ink or marker and must shown to the DM before use it with the actual same real weapon tokens as legit. This is a quick examine at best and as the same showing the actual Horn of Plenty is a common practice and the amount is use by one heavy collector/player. But it be easier if the player coach did the confirmation and inspected, then he could inform the DM as evening quicker result by using red ink or marker using initialed "PW" for Proxy Weapon by character class.

Wait a minute, I can redeem old treasure tokens?! My first year of TD, I got a treasure token at the end of my run (we were bad at solving puzzles), but no explanation of what to do with it. I thought it was like the button: a cool decoration with absolutely no game value, so I didn't redeem it that year. The next year, I learned about the concept of redeeming treasure tokens for usable tokens, but that each treasure token has the year clearly written on it, so I figured there was no way I could ever redeem it. So talk to the bag checker this year at Gen Con to try and redeem that is what you are saying?

Brad wrote: Anyone warned gaming etc?

We would if we knew their forum name/handle!

Ed

henwy wrote: I'm sure they're already aware that there are fakes floating out there. I heard stories of people trying to pass them some a few years ago during the convention. Those were just as easily spotted like those fake treasure draw ones. That's really what the difference is...if these supposed new fakes are of the same quality as all the fakes we've had in the past then there's not much to worry about. A little care, a little dilegence and it's hard for them to enter the market and get passed about. If the quality level has really gone up and the fakes are of far higher quality then it could be a problem. Of course, because everyone is keeping mum we have no idea what the situation is, what the fakes look like or who is passing them. I really don't understand why that is the case, I really don't. Maybe the idea is that showing fakes makes other people more likely to attempt to make fakes? And of course, I _really_ don't understand the motivation between not naming the people who the fakes came from. If that person isn't ultimately responsible, they can at least tell us where they got them from and so on down the line. Tokens don't change that many hands. It's not like a quarter.

Saying who the tokens were last acquired from paints some suspicion on that person and may lead to a public tarring before that person has time to respond. I have dealt with several traders on this site I would consider big traders, and there were times where even they took several days to respond, presumably because they don't see the need to log in every day or every few hours. If it takes even the most diligent members days to respond to a personal PM, imagine how long it would take a slightly less active member to respond to a thread in a sub-forum that is bustling with new threads right now that they may not even look at because they don't plan on going to Gen Con 2015 (either for moral reasons, budget reasons, or inconvenient life events like getting married that weekend). Running someone's name through the mud is just a bad idea, because while we all like to hope the damage can be undone. It can't, people will remember the doubts more than the fact that they were found innocent or will only see the posts where they are in question and never see the follow up posts that clear their name. I care more about a small Type II error than a small Type I error.

Anthony Barnstable wrote: I can redeem old treasure tokens?!

from the TDb entry for Treasure Chip :
Only current-year tokens may be redeemed. E.g., a 2013 chip may not be redeemed in 2014.

Brad wrote: Anyone warned gaming etc?

MasterED wrote: We would if we knew their forum name/handle!

gamingetc

Druegar wrote:

Anthony Barnstable wrote: I can redeem old treasure tokens?!

from the TDb entry for Treasure Chip :
Only current-year tokens may be redeemed. E.g., a 2013 chip may not be redeemed in 2014.

That's what I thought, but am I misreading his post? He definitely said an old treasure chip was accepted by an administrator like Lori, did he not?

Volunteers often don't take the time to look at the treasure tokens. That's the only reason the fakes made it through last year since they were very obviously fake. This means that people often toss in old out of date treasure redemption chips as well. It's not kosher but they probably figure the chances of being caught are slim to none.

I really think Jeff needs to weigh in on this topic after starting the thread.

Druegar wrote:

Brad wrote: Anyone warned gaming etc?

MasterED wrote: We would if we knew their forum name/handle!

gamingetc

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Guess they aren't that active.

Ed