TOPIC: Shirt of the Fae vs. Druid's Wild Vestments

Either my search-fu is failing me, or no one has asked this yet...

Is Shirt of the Fae intended to be strictly better than Druid's Wild Vestments ? Or is there some way in which the vestments are better?

There is a subtle difference that I see in TokenDB, and I'm wondering if it is an intentional difference or simply a case of the vestments needing an update.

Shirt:

Wearer may speak and cast spells while polymorphed, but not use scrolls or miscellaneous magic items

Vestments:

If wearing this shirt, a druid can speak and cast spells (not scrolls) while under the effects of a polymorph effect.

Since the Shirt explicitly says it doesn't allow miscellaneous magic items and the vestments do not, I am wondering whether the vestment description should be updated to have wording similar to the shirt (for that sentence)? Or do the vestments allow the use of miscellaneous magic items (in which case, it might be good to make that explicit)?

I asked this in the token generation process, and the answer was the shirt is the same as the vestments except it gives the retrieval ability. So it is strictly better. I agree the wording on the two should be similar, if that's still the case.

Fiddy wrote: Is Shirt of the Fae intended to be strictly better than Druid's Wild Vestments ?

yes

The descriptions for Shirt of the Fae and Druid's Wild Vestments are now in sync with one another.

So when you're polymorphed you can't use items? ...

Boy I sure liked the old ruling of "no restrictions"., that's one heck of a restriction.

The synchronization of the descriptions was per Jeff. Please petition him if you'd like them to be altered.

I have a Druid Wild Vestments that will be traded in if any token collector is interested in swapping me instead. PM me.

Ed

Is there any reason not to exchange it other than collectors nostalgia? Isn't the new one better, a true superset of the abilities?

no
yes

New one is supposed to be better however the Nerf to both is pretty large. Maybe i'm wrong but I suspect there are a lot of folks out there that were using the "no restrictions" to allow use of their tokens. This new "clarification" would basically indicate while you can Speak and cast spells from the card you can't use any other tokens. I'm guessing they are all gone. So while we don't specifically take away anything on the party card because it would be too much work, you don't get to activate any free action items nor can you use any of your other toys.

I believe this to be a significant departure from how it was but maybe that's me. I'll talk to Jeff at TDC if I can find him with some time to talk.

valetutto wrote: New one is supposed to be better however the Nerf to both is pretty large. Maybe i'm wrong but I suspect there are a lot of folks out there that were using the "no restrictions" to allow use of their tokens. This new "clarification" would basically indicate while you can Speak and cast spells from the card you can't use any other tokens. I'm guessing they are all gone. So while we don't specifically take away anything on the party card because it would be too much work, you don't get to activate any free action items nor can you use any of your other toys.

I believe this to be a significant departure from how it was but maybe that's me. I'll talk to Jeff at TDC if I can find him with some time to talk.

Might be a good idea to list a few equipment items (tokens) that couldn't be used while polymorphed.

Ed

MasterED wrote:

valetutto wrote: New one is supposed to be better however the Nerf to both is pretty large. Maybe i'm wrong but I suspect there are a lot of folks out there that were using the "no restrictions" to allow use of their tokens. This new "clarification" would basically indicate while you can Speak and cast spells from the card you can't use any other tokens. I'm guessing they are all gone. So while we don't specifically take away anything on the party card because it would be too much work, you don't get to activate any free action items nor can you use any of your other toys.

I believe this to be a significant departure from how it was but maybe that's me. I'll talk to Jeff at TDC if I can find him with some time to talk.

Might be a good idea to list a few equipment items (tokens) that couldn't be used while polymorphed.

Ed

Or more importantly does it allow you to use ANY tokens at all?
Currently it states you can Talk and Cast from Card. Not specifically states on the card but stated in the DMG you can also slide the poly token to attack in the new form if you have an action to allow doing so.

It doesn't list, activating an item. It doesn't list Drinking a potion. It doesn't list using a wand.

if I'm wearing the Fae shirt, can I free action poly bear, then standard action to use a wand? What about Standard action to drink a potion?
If I standard action drink poly potion to bear, can I activate the shield of the Scholar?

I'm attacking as a bear and die in combat, can I Roll my Death's Die? (This one doesn't even require an action)

The wording on the token now states "not use scrolls or miscellaneous magic items" so it would suggest you can't use the Death's Die.

The way I saw it before, the shirt did away with all the weird polymorph restrictions. To me that meant your gear was accessible, but maybe only I interpreted it that way. I thought no restrictions was pretty clear. LOL Not being able to use your gear I find fairly restrictive.

valetutto wrote: The way I saw it before, the shirt did away with all the weird polymorph restrictions. To me that meant your gear was accessible, but maybe only I interpreted it that way. I thought no restrictions was pretty clear. LOL Not being able to use your gear I find fairly restrictive.

I concur that is what I understood if you had the Druid Wild Vestments. Good question to get a final ruling on.

Ed