TOPIC: Amorgen's Character Designer (Excel Spreadsheet)

+1 Thrall Kris has Token Data for being able to be thrown though tokenDB does not indicate that it can be...??

Joshua Long wrote: +1 Thrall Kris has Token Data for being able to be thrown though tokenDB does not indicate that it can be...??

Hmmmm. The 2016 Quick Token Reference lists it as Compound, but you are correct TokenDB doesn't indicate it is compound.

We need an official ruling on this. While a Kris is a bit dagger-like, it tends to be a little longer than one. I'll fix once I hear from TPTB.

Joshua Long wrote: I was wondering does an ability score of 9 result in a modifier of -1, like DnD?

Currently it seems that a 9 results in a modifier of 0.

I think this came up in a prior year and it was indicated that unlike DnD, a 9 is still 0, but an 8 is a -1. If someone remembers differently, please let me know.

Amorgen Burke wrote:

Joshua Long wrote: +1 Thrall Kris has Token Data for being able to be thrown though tokenDB does not indicate that it can be...??

Hmmmm. The 2016 Quick Token Reference lists it as Compound, but you are correct TokenDB doesn't indicate it is compound.

We need an official ruling on this. While a Kris is a bit dagger-like, it tends to be a little longer than one. I'll fix once I hear from TPTB.

We should get a ruling, but here is a guess as to how this happened:

In earlier drafts the Kris was a Dirk, and Dirks in TD have been thrown weapons?

Amorgen Burke wrote:

Joshua Long wrote: +1 Thrall Kris has Token Data for being able to be thrown though tokenDB does not indicate that it can be...??

Hmmmm. The 2016 Quick Token Reference lists it as Compound, but you are correct TokenDB doesn't indicate it is compound.

We need an official ruling on this. While a Kris is a bit dagger-like, it tends to be a little longer than one. I'll fix once I hear from TPTB.

Good deal. Also what does TPTB stand for?

Could TPTB also clarify the ability score 9 as well?

Joshua Long wrote:

Amorgen Burke wrote:

Joshua Long wrote: +1 Thrall Kris has Token Data for being able to be thrown though tokenDB does not indicate that it can be...??

Hmmmm. The 2016 Quick Token Reference lists it as Compound, but you are correct TokenDB doesn't indicate it is compound.

We need an official ruling on this. While a Kris is a bit dagger-like, it tends to be a little longer than one. I'll fix once I hear from TPTB.

Good deal. Also what does TPTB stand for?

Could TPTB also clarify the ability score 9 as well?

TPTB = The Powers That Be

Joshua Long wrote:

Amorgen Burke wrote:

Joshua Long wrote: +1 Thrall Kris has Token Data for being able to be thrown though tokenDB does not indicate that it can be...??

Hmmmm. The 2016 Quick Token Reference lists it as Compound, but you are correct TokenDB doesn't indicate it is compound.

We need an official ruling on this. While a Kris is a bit dagger-like, it tends to be a little longer than one. I'll fix once I hear from TPTB.

Good deal. Also what does TPTB stand for?

Could TPTB also clarify the ability score 9 as well?

TPTB = The Powers That Be

They can clarify, but per the Coach's Guide, the bonus is calculated this way:

Ability Score Bonuses (not to be confused with
Ability Scores) are derived like this: take the Ability
Score, subtract 10, then divide by 2. Round down if it
doesn’t divide evenly.

The formula used on my spreadsheet is:

=ROUNDDOWN((([Adjusted Ability Score]-10)/2),0)

which matches that definition exactly. What ends up happening is that the penalty or bonus amount is rounded down. Since a 9 is only a penalty of 1/2, it is rounded down to 0. I know that doesn't match exactly with how D&D published it (which is interesting since they publish the same formula which would not actually treat 9 like they do). I think they didn't want a 0 across 3 scores (9, 10, 11), so they tweaked it to treat 9 as -1 and so on down.

Until we started adding so many penalties to abilities on tokens, it was never an issue. If TPTB want to mirror D&D rather than use the actual formula calculation, I can change my spreadsheet to match. At this point though, I'm fine with 9 also being a 0.

Amorgen Burke wrote: The 2016 Quick Token Reference lists it as Compound, but you are correct TokenDB doesn't indicate it is compound.

We need an official ruling on this.

Per Jeff, a kris is a melee-only weapon. This applies to the magical and mundane versions.

Amorgen Burke wrote:

Joshua Long wrote:

Amorgen Burke wrote:

Joshua Long wrote: +1 Thrall Kris has Token Data for being able to be thrown though tokenDB does not indicate that it can be...??

Hmmmm. The 2016 Quick Token Reference lists it as Compound, but you are correct TokenDB doesn't indicate it is compound.

We need an official ruling on this. While a Kris is a bit dagger-like, it tends to be a little longer than one. I'll fix once I hear from TPTB.

Good deal. Also what does TPTB stand for?

Could TPTB also clarify the ability score 9 as well?

TPTB = The Powers That Be

They can clarify, but per the Coach's Guide, the bonus is calculated this way:

Ability Score Bonuses (not to be confused with
Ability Scores) are derived like this: take the Ability
Score, subtract 10, then divide by 2. Round down if it
doesn’t divide evenly.

The formula used on my spreadsheet is:

=ROUNDDOWN((([Adjusted Ability Score]-10)/2),0)

which matches that definition exactly. What ends up happening is that the penalty or bonus amount is rounded down. Since a 9 is only a penalty of 1/2, it is rounded down to 0. I know that doesn't match exactly with how D&D published it (which is interesting since they publish the same formula which would not actually treat 9 like they do). I think they didn't want a 0 across 3 scores (9, 10, 11), so they tweaked it to treat 9 as -1 and so on down.

Until we started adding so many penalties to abilities on tokens, it was never an issue. If TPTB want to mirror D&D rather than use the actual formula calculation, I can change my spreadsheet to match. At this point though, I'm fine with 9 also being a 0.

I read the rules as well and implemented the rounding down as a floor which would turn -.5 to -1. I viewed " Round down if it doesn’t divide evenly." to be such that -1 is actually "down" and 0 as going "up"...

The question of attributes of 9, has come up before. As I recall, TPTB stated that 9 was to be treated as 0 for bonus, rather than -1. Actually, I thought that the statement was there were no negative bonuses, which could theoretically include 7 or 8, but I have not seen that much of a minus come up as a question. The Character Generators calculate the same way as the spreadsheet, so at least we are all consistent.

Cranston wrote: The question of attributes of 9, has come up before. As I recall, TPTB stated that 9 was to be treated as 0 for bonus, rather than -1. Actually, I thought that the statement was there were no negative bonuses, which could theoretically include 7 or 8, but I have not seen that much of a minus come up as a question. The Character Generators calculate the same way as the spreadsheet, so at least we are all consistent.

I noticed that you were both consistent which is great and I want to be consistent with the software I am making as well. Thus this odd questions.

With the new kilt this year having a -4 stat and the possibility of future kilts having large negatives as well an ability score could get to 7 or lower in the future. With now the mention of possibly no negative bonuses a clarification would be great~

In Token Data +2 Deadly Drow Mace exist but is the wrong name should be +2 Deadly Drow Blood Mace .