TOPIC: Duplicate tokens

I know in years passed that duplicate tokens did not stack.

Looking through the current rules documents (player's guide, dm guide), I could not find any mention of that. Ioun stones have a specific mention that duplicates do not work, but nothing else. For slots like Ear and Charm, there aren't a lot of available choices - so this may be a common request.

Is that rule (duplicate tokens do not stack) still in effect?

-t

It is in the token guide. Somewhere near page 10. I haven't looked it up in a while.

If duplicate tokens stacked, I'd have tried to get 20 Rings of Riches and 30 Charms of Good Fortune for my group

togashimattsu wrote: Is that rule (duplicate tokens do not stack) still in effect?

Most definitely!

Token Guide , top of page 10, in the section called "Item and Effect Stacking"

Mike Steele wrote: If duplicate tokens stacked, I'd have tried to get 20 Rings of Riches and 30 Charms of Good Fortune for my group

except that charm of good fortune doesn't say '10+' as the last entry, just '10'. so, if you have more than 10 charms of good fortune in the party, they don't do anything.

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: If duplicate tokens stacked, I'd have tried to get 20 Rings of Riches and 30 Charms of Good Fortune for my group

except that charm of good fortune doesn't say '10+' as the last entry, just '10'. so, if you have more than 10 charms of good fortune in the party, they don't do anything.

But if they stacked you would still get four extra treasures for each CoGF.

And Mike, you are forgetting the Charm Necklace and 30 more CoGF there. Better than the HoP, you get 12 extra instead of six, and number of stamps is irrelevant.

Xavon wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: If duplicate tokens stacked, I'd have tried to get 20 Rings of Riches and 30 Charms of Good Fortune for my group

except that charm of good fortune doesn't say '10+' as the last entry, just '10'. so, if you have more than 10 charms of good fortune in the party, they don't do anything.

But if they stacked you would still get four extra treasures for each CoGF.

And Mike, you are forgetting the Charm Necklace and 30 more CoGF there. Better than the HoP, you get 12 extra instead of six, and number of stamps is irrelevant.

no no, you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't saying charm #11-30 don't do anything, I was saying NONE OF THEM do anything. ie. ZERO extra treasure. look at the charm of good fortune and read what it does: if your party has 1-5 CoGF, you get +2, 6-9 = +3, and 10 = +4 tokens. if your party has 11+ CoGF = NOTHING, they no longer do anything. each CoGF will ask how many the party has, look at its handy little chart, not find that option, and tell you '0'

kurtreznor wrote:

Xavon wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: If duplicate tokens stacked, I'd have tried to get 20 Rings of Riches and 30 Charms of Good Fortune for my group

except that charm of good fortune doesn't say '10+' as the last entry, just '10'. so, if you have more than 10 charms of good fortune in the party, they don't do anything.

But if they stacked you would still get four extra treasures for each CoGF.

And Mike, you are forgetting the Charm Necklace and 30 more CoGF there. Better than the HoP, you get 12 extra instead of six, and number of stamps is irrelevant.

no no, you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't saying charm #11-30 don't do anything, I was saying NONE OF THEM do anything. ie. ZERO extra treasure. look at the charm of good fortune and read what it does: if your party has 1-5 CoGF, you get +2, 6-9 = +3, and 10 = +4 tokens. if your party has 11+ CoGF = NOTHING, they no longer do anything. each CoGF will ask how many the party has, look at its handy little chart, not find that option, and tell you '0'

True enough. Same applies to the Cabal items. I guess TD isn't provisioning for special allowance groups (i.e. groups of 11, or all Wizard parties). And the Synergy Charm doesn't have the same drawback, but does explicitly cap it at ten HP (per Charm).

Druegar wrote:

togashimattsu wrote: Is that rule (duplicate tokens do not stack) still in effect?

Most definitely!

Token Guide , top of page 10, in the section called "Item and Effect Stacking"

Thanks for the reference.
I humbly suggest that this be added to the player's guide section on tokens - pages 23/24.

-t

kurtreznor wrote:

Xavon wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: If duplicate tokens stacked, I'd have tried to get 20 Rings of Riches and 30 Charms of Good Fortune for my group

except that charm of good fortune doesn't say '10+' as the last entry, just '10'. so, if you have more than 10 charms of good fortune in the party, they don't do anything.

But if they stacked you would still get four extra treasures for each CoGF.

And Mike, you are forgetting the Charm Necklace and 30 more CoGF there. Better than the HoP, you get 12 extra instead of six, and number of stamps is irrelevant.

no no, you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't saying charm #11-30 don't do anything, I was saying NONE OF THEM do anything. ie. ZERO extra treasure. look at the charm of good fortune and read what it does: if your party has 1-5 CoGF, you get +2, 6-9 = +3, and 10 = +4 tokens. if your party has 11+ CoGF = NOTHING, they no longer do anything. each CoGF will ask how many the party has, look at its handy little chart, not find that option, and tell you '0'

LOL well that assumes faulty programming.
I would argue that you "ALSO" have 10, because those that have 11 also have 10. You could make a good case that you have 10 and 1 if you can hit the chart twice which it never says you can't.

Even from a strick rule's lawyer point of view the first line of the token guarentees you "extra chips"..."The bearer of this charm gains extra chips" so saying they gained nothing because they had a number higher than 10 wouldn't fly.


Funny though.

valetutto wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Xavon wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: If duplicate tokens stacked, I'd have tried to get 20 Rings of Riches and 30 Charms of Good Fortune for my group

except that charm of good fortune doesn't say '10+' as the last entry, just '10'. so, if you have more than 10 charms of good fortune in the party, they don't do anything.

But if they stacked you would still get four extra treasures for each CoGF.

And Mike, you are forgetting the Charm Necklace and 30 more CoGF there. Better than the HoP, you get 12 extra instead of six, and number of stamps is irrelevant.

no no, you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't saying charm #11-30 don't do anything, I was saying NONE OF THEM do anything. ie. ZERO extra treasure. look at the charm of good fortune and read what it does: if your party has 1-5 CoGF, you get +2, 6-9 = +3, and 10 = +4 tokens. if your party has 11+ CoGF = NOTHING, they no longer do anything. each CoGF will ask how many the party has, look at its handy little chart, not find that option, and tell you '0'

LOL well that assumes faulty programming.
I would argue that you "ALSO" have 10, because those that have 11 also have 10. You could make a good case that you have 10 and 1 if you can hit the chart twice which it never says you can't.

Even from a strick rule's lawyer point of view the first line of the token guarentees you "extra chips"..."The bearer of this charm gains extra chips" so saying they gained nothing because they had a number higher than 10 wouldn't fly.


Funny though.

For the record, last year I had suggested that the Charm of Good Fortune (and the Bracelets/Gloves of the Cabal) include the "+" sign as a contingency, but apparently it was deemed like it would be too confusing for some people.

(There could be future scenarios that result in extra copies: Such as being able to equip a token normally not equippable, and who knows if in the future the party size will increase beyond 10).

Good points, but lets hope the party size does not increase beyond 10....ugh. The Player to DM ratio is taxed for a 12min room, trying to increase it further would make me sad.