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FINAL IMAGES (Common through Transmuted!) 9 months 3 weeks ago #61

Endgame wrote:

OrionW wrote:

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OrionW wrote:
Druid has fallen so ridiculously short from Cleric and Wizards at epic play it is kind of insulting to see people post this. Part of it is Iktomi’s, but the other part is the lack of support for the polymorph build.


I'd love to see Druid get better polymorph support so that its their thing. It makes sense, its super cool, and its the thing that interests me most in Druid. Elf wizard can lose it and get something else that makes them unique, since it's pretty sad on them and doesn't really fit anyways. That's somewhat tangential though.


I hope so too, but unfortunately Pouch of Tulz + Potion Polymorph (Sea Troll)+Amulet of Wild (2023) is better than Iktomi's. Being left of the Bead of Guided Strike also will continue to really hurt the polymorph build until they can get guided strike on something other than the bracers. Hopefully the redesigned class cards start to clean this all up, but right now the polymorph build is better than a melee Bard build and the Paladin; it is going to take a lot. :)

Please back that up with a build link.


Iktomi's: 11 average damage
Pouch of Tulz + Potion Polymorph (Sea Troll) + Amulet of Wild (2023): 11.25 average damage

Other abilities on Iktomi's are not compelling (maybe casting while polymorphed but in most cases you can just end polymorph if you are that desperate to need to cast a spell).

Edit: Iktomi's is just good enough to be a regular legendary and is not in the same power level as the other class legendaries.
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FINAL IMAGES (Common through Transmuted!) 9 months 3 weeks ago #62

It took a LOT longer to get to DrUids vs everyone this year than in typical years.
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FINAL IMAGES (Common through Transmuted!) 9 months 3 weeks ago #63

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: It took a LOT longer yo get to DrUids vs everyone this year than in typical years.


I think it is because we tried to be diplomatic this year, but it is the natural end point of the current process. :silly:

(fingers crossed that new class cards change this)
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FINAL IMAGES (Common through Transmuted!) 9 months 3 weeks ago #64

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: It took a LOT longer yo get to DrUids vs everyone this year than in typical years.


Well, I think this was the comment that threw it off the rails this year "Maybe I'm missing something, but why is it ok for Druids to be on the Robe but not wizards?" I wonder who made that comment? ;)
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FINAL IMAGES (Common through Transmuted!) 9 months 3 weeks ago #65

Please everyone can we take the druid discussion on power levels and this and that and keep the posts here about cleaning up the verbiage on the near final token proposals?
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FINAL IMAGES (Common through Transmuted!) 9 months 3 weeks ago #66

I feel like a big problem is a lack of identity. Druids aren't underpowered, they're a very capable class. They don't really have a satisfying niche though. Backup healer and backup spell damage dealer with the ability to throw down in melee about as well as the underpowered fighter isn't an especially exciting place to be. Iktomi's is kind of emblematic of that. All the other class legendries double down and really enhance each class's ability to focus and hit their niche. Iktomi's makes it really efficient to switch between what class the druid is backing up round by round.

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the 2023 tokens though.
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FINAL IMAGES (Common through Transmuted!) 9 months 3 weeks ago #67

To summarize, since things went back and forth a lot. It makes sense for the robe to be healing only with the current classes if that's the intent. :) If it's generic, it still doesn't make sense.

I'll advocate for cool polymorph stuff next round, I don't think we can do a whole cycle here. :D
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FINAL IMAGES (Common through Transmuted!) 9 months 3 weeks ago #68

Flik wrote: Please everyone can we take the druid discussion on power levels and this and that and keep the posts here about cleaning up the verbiage on the near final token proposals?


I'm curious why you're referring to these images as "near final". Jeff's first post and the thread subject line seems to pretty clearly say they are final, and he's not asking for any additional input. The first post infers at least that the images have been sent to the printer. I'm not saying Jeff won't make any more changes, but it does sound like he's wrapped up the "input" portion of the process.
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FINAL IMAGES (Common through Transmuted!) 9 months 3 weeks ago #69

Mike Steele wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: It took a LOT longer yo get to DrUids vs everyone this year than in typical years.


Well, I think this was the comment that threw it off the rails this year "Maybe I'm missing something, but why is it ok for Druids to be on the Robe but not wizards?" I wonder who made that comment? ;)


I don’t grant your premise, but that seems a wise comment.
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FINAL IMAGES (Common through Transmuted!) 9 months 3 weeks ago #70

Mike Steele wrote:

Flik wrote: Please everyone can we take the druid discussion on power levels and this and that and keep the posts here about cleaning up the verbiage on the near final token proposals?


I'm curious why you're referring to these images as "near final". Jeff's first post and the thread subject line seems to pretty clearly say they are final, and he's not asking for any additional input. The first post infers at least that the images have been sent to the printer. I'm not saying Jeff won't make any more changes, but it does sound like he's wrapped up the "input" portion of the process.


I don’t know I was just kinda being silly with the always final final final rounds :) I was just trying to get the topic back to the tokens in question.
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FINAL IMAGES (Common through Transmuted!) 9 months 3 weeks ago #71

Flik wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Flik wrote: Please everyone can we take the druid discussion on power levels and this and that and keep the posts here about cleaning up the verbiage on the near final token proposals?


I'm curious why you're referring to these images as "near final". Jeff's first post and the thread subject line seems to pretty clearly say they are final, and he's not asking for any additional input. The first post infers at least that the images have been sent to the printer. I'm not saying Jeff won't make any more changes, but it does sound like he's wrapped up the "input" portion of the process.


I don’t know I was just kinda being silly with the always final final final rounds :) I was just trying to get the topic back to the tokens in question.


A noble goal. :)
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FINAL IMAGES (Common through Transmuted!) 9 months 3 weeks ago #72

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Marc D wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but why is it ok for Druids to be on the Robe but not wizards?


If I remember correctly, the thought is that Wizards have minimal opportunity cost to equip the Robe. Druids have to give up Redoubt, Lucky, Death Knight, or a grab bag of Rare armors with some decent benefits. I know AC is viewed as a low value stat, but it's not completely worthless.

That argument didn't right with me. The counter to it is "By playing a Wizard, we give up all of those other torso armor option in the game just by picking the class". It could at least be made less insulting by making it leather armor if they're going to make the second useful UR robe in the history of the game without Wizards being able to use it
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