TOPIC: Transmute Token Ideas

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: I realized the last UR torso slot item usable by Wizards was 2017, and before that 2011.

Maybe the base of the Wizard legendary should be a torso slot item.


Robes of Haste - All
+2 AC, You may cast a level 0 spell as a free action (1/room)

Something like that (the non AC portion being related to whatever the tansmute does).

It could also be “Arcane Robes” and be part of the arcane set.

only if the UR can be equipped with the legendary, a la Barbarian or monk.

Robes of Focus - +2AC and +2 to healing, damage and polymorph hit and damage

Robes of Power - +2 AC. May cast a 1st level spell without consuming 1/room as a free action

I wonder how many wizards would give up starhide or sunhide robe for either of those options. I presume that +2 staff of power would just be reprinted before they would make robes of power, however Charm of Glory is very recent precedent of moving a strong power to a more friendly slot.

The idea is to give UR wizard players another option.

MeC users will probably stay with the relic+ robes due to the int boost.

Both options which beat out the moonhide robe IMO.

Yes they'd lose out to the relic or legendary robes but that's expected given that it's an UR not a relic+

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: I realized the last UR torso slot item usable by Wizards was 2017, and before that 2011.

Maybe the base of the Wizard legendary should be a torso slot item.


Robes of Haste - All
+2 AC, You may cast a level 0 spell as a free action (1/room)

Something like that (the non AC portion being related to whatever the tansmute does).

It could also be “Arcane Robes” and be part of the arcane set.

only if the UR can be equipped with the legendary, a la Barbarian or monk.

Robes of Focus - +2AC and +2 to healing, damage and polymorph hit and damage

Robes of Power - +2 AC. May cast a 1st level spell without consuming 1/room as a free action

I wonder how many wizards would give up starhide or sunhide robe for either of those options. I presume that +2 staff of power would just be reprinted before they would make robes of power, however Charm of Glory is very recent precedent of moving a strong power to a more friendly slot.

The idea is to give UR wizard players another option.

MeC users will probably stay with the relic+ robes due to the int boost.

Both options which beat out the moonhide robe IMO.

Yes they'd lose out to the relic or legendary robes but that's expected given that it's an UR not a relic+

If you had the relic you may not switch. However, if you had robes of power, I don’t think you would really seek out starhide robe, especially if mec isn’t reprinted. Kind of like lucky plate vs blessed redoubt

Edit - it’s not specifically a problem, but more an observation. Question though. would this be the first torso option that didn’t in some way add to AC?

Doubled Potions of Condensed healing - heal 20 HP

ingredients-
2 potions of condensed healing
2 Mystic Silk
2 Darkwood Plank


Secondary recipie options for potion of condensed healing?
1 Rare healing or 2 uncommon healing potions
1 Mystic Silk
1 Darkwood Plank

??

Incanters Whetstone - slotless - add +1 to all damage sources

Requires
20 silk
20 plank
ANY Ultra Rare token

?

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Doubled Potions of Condensed healing - heal 20 HP

ingredients-
2 potions of condensed healing
2 Mystic Silk
2 Darkwood Plank


Secondary recipie options for potion of condensed healing?
1 Rare healing or 2 uncommon healing potions
1 Mystic Silk
1 Darkwood Plank

??

I like the idea. It makes the condensed healing Much more impactful

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Doubled Potions of Condensed healing - heal 20 HP

ingredients-
2 potions of condensed healing
2 Mystic Silk
2 Darkwood Plank


Secondary recipie options for potion of condensed healing?
1 Rare healing or 2 uncommon healing potions
1 Mystic Silk
1 Darkwood Plank

??

I like the idea. It makes the condensed healing Much more impactful

I like the idea as well. That said, I thought that transmutes requiring transmuted ingredients was something that hadn't worked out well in the past? (Before my time, so I can't say for certain, or point to a post).

Perhaps the double condensed (concentrated?) could be 3 or 4 different recipes?

1) 22x 1 point heals + plank / silk / stone in some minimal quantity
2) 11x 1 point heal, + 2 rare heal, + plank / silk / stone in some minimal quantity
3) 2x rare heal, 4x uncommon heal + plank / silk / stone in some minimal quantity
4) 2x 10 point heals + plank / silk / stone in some minimal quantity

Edit.

Or, maybe keep it simple and have it just require:

22 points of total healing potions (any rarity)
1 silk, 1 plank, 1 stone

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Doubled Potions of Condensed healing - heal 20 HP

ingredients-
2 potions of condensed healing
2 Mystic Silk
2 Darkwood Plank


Secondary recipie options for potion of condensed healing?
1 Rare healing or 2 uncommon healing potions
1 Mystic Silk
1 Darkwood Plank

??

First gut reaction is "Yeah! Let's do this!"

Second gut reaction is "Wait! Don't people complain about there being too much healing readily available already?"

Fiddy wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Doubled Potions of Condensed healing - heal 20 HP

ingredients-
2 potions of condensed healing
2 Mystic Silk
2 Darkwood Plank


Secondary recipie options for potion of condensed healing?
1 Rare healing or 2 uncommon healing potions
1 Mystic Silk
1 Darkwood Plank

??

First gut reaction is "Yeah! Let's do this!"

Second gut reaction is "Wait! Don't people complain about there being too much healing readily available already?"

If you’re using lots of potions, this just halves the number of potions you need to carry. I suppose if you’re chugging potions mid combat, this would double the amount you could heal with a canteen of quaffing.

Endgame wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Doubled Potions of Condensed healing - heal 20 HP

ingredients-
2 potions of condensed healing
2 Mystic Silk
2 Darkwood Plank


Secondary recipie options for potion of condensed healing?
1 Rare healing or 2 uncommon healing potions
1 Mystic Silk
1 Darkwood Plank

??

First gut reaction is "Yeah! Let's do this!"

Second gut reaction is "Wait! Don't people complain about there being too much healing readily available already?"

If you’re using lots of potions, this just halves the number of potions you need to carry. I suppose if you’re chugging potions mid combat, this would double the amount you could heal with a canteen of quaffing.

Flask of Sharing would now allow you to heal 10 and 10.

Lotus Blossom Bowls would heal 20 and 20.

Marc D wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Doubled Potions of Condensed healing - heal 20 HP

ingredients-
2 potions of condensed healing
2 Mystic Silk
2 Darkwood Plank


Secondary recipie options for potion of condensed healing?
1 Rare healing or 2 uncommon healing potions
1 Mystic Silk
1 Darkwood Plank

??

First gut reaction is "Yeah! Let's do this!"

Second gut reaction is "Wait! Don't people complain about there being too much healing readily available already?"

If you’re using lots of potions, this just halves the number of potions you need to carry. I suppose if you’re chugging potions mid combat, this would double the amount you could heal with a canteen of quaffing.

Flask of Sharing would now allow you to heal 10 and 10.

Lotus Blossom Bowls would heal 20 and 20.

Noted on both, though I’m not sure either is a problem? I suppose a whole party with Lotus Blossom bowls would heal an extra 100 - enough to offset a Messup on a nightmare puzzle.

Endgame wrote:

Marc D wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Doubled Potions of Condensed healing - heal 20 HP

ingredients-
2 potions of condensed healing
2 Mystic Silk
2 Darkwood Plank


Secondary recipie options for potion of condensed healing?
1 Rare healing or 2 uncommon healing potions
1 Mystic Silk
1 Darkwood Plank

??

First gut reaction is "Yeah! Let's do this!"

Second gut reaction is "Wait! Don't people complain about there being too much healing readily available already?"

If you’re using lots of potions, this just halves the number of potions you need to carry. I suppose if you’re chugging potions mid combat, this would double the amount you could heal with a canteen of quaffing.

Flask of Sharing would now allow you to heal 10 and 10.

Lotus Blossom Bowls would heal 20 and 20.

Noted on both, though I’m not sure either is a problem? I suppose a whole party with Lotus Blossom bowls would heal an extra 100 - enough to offset a Messup on a nightmare puzzle.

But at the cost of consumables, so I think it’s ok.
Also your basically burning a alchemist ink every time you use one.

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Marc D wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Doubled Potions of Condensed healing - heal 20 HP

ingredients-
2 potions of condensed healing
2 Mystic Silk
2 Darkwood Plank


Secondary recipie options for potion of condensed healing?
1 Rare healing or 2 uncommon healing potions
1 Mystic Silk
1 Darkwood Plank

??

First gut reaction is "Yeah! Let's do this!"

Second gut reaction is "Wait! Don't people complain about there being too much healing readily available already?"

If you’re using lots of potions, this just halves the number of potions you need to carry. I suppose if you’re chugging potions mid combat, this would double the amount you could heal with a canteen of quaffing.

Flask of Sharing would now allow you to heal 10 and 10.

Lotus Blossom Bowls would heal 20 and 20.

Noted on both, though I’m not sure either is a problem? I suppose a whole party with Lotus Blossom bowls would heal an extra 100 - enough to offset a Messup on a nightmare puzzle.

But at the cost of consumables, so I think it’s ok.
Also your basically burning a alchemist ink every time you use one.

At some point though, large amounts of consumable healing in a single token starts eroding the Cleric role of healing. And on the higher end of tokens, the buffing role is already being eroded by the increases to Bard buff and everyone having +5 weapons. Maybe 20 points isn't there yet, but I'd caution against going any higher.