TOPIC: 2020 Uncommon Beta Images

macXdmg wrote: Does a bard get granted taunt from the epic taunts charm (taunting one instead of none), or does it do something different for bards?

The Ro7P bard subclass Troubadour gets taunt. That is why bard is included.

jpotter wrote:

macXdmg wrote: Does a bard get granted taunt from the epic taunts charm (taunting one instead of none), or does it do something different for bards?

The Ro7P bard subclass Troubadour gets taunt. That is why bard is included.

There is an uncommon bonus for a class that less than 200 people in the game have access to on an uncommon? A class that can be played once a year if you buy a multi thousand usd token? I see more confusion from new players, and not new players apparently, about this token but I now understand. Coaches be prepared for that one.

_{I even second a Bard and I missed that one.}

macXdmg wrote:

jpotter wrote:

macXdmg wrote: Does a bard get granted taunt from the epic taunts charm (taunting one instead of none), or does it do something different for bards?

The Ro7P bard subclass Troubadour gets taunt. That is why bard is included.

There is an uncommon bonus for a class that less than 200 people in the game have access to on an uncommon? A class that can be played once a year if you buy a multi thousand usd token? I see more confusion from new players, and not new players apparently, about this token but I now understand. Coaches be prepared for that one.

_{I even second a Bard and I missed that one.}

Yeah, I found it interesting when I first saw it and realized why Bards were on it (oh cool). But the more I think about it, it feels strange to have a token that impacts both a 1/combat class ability for one class and a spell for the other class. I suspect few Troubadours would care if Bard was left off the token (I suspect most Troubadours have many better charms they'd prefer equipping). And I agree most Bards getting this in a 10-pack are likely to be confused.

Maybe the plan is give the bard a taunt with the new character cards. It does seem like a bardish thing to do. It could be Jeff has an idea what he wants to do with the cards to some degree and that is why we see fury on the Barbarian legendary. MAYBE.

jedibcg wrote: Maybe the plan is give the bard a taunt with the new character cards. It does seem like a bardish thing to do. It could be Jeff has an idea what he wants to do with the cards to some degree and that is why we see fury on the Barbarian legendary. MAYBE.

If we do see taunt on the Bard's revised card do you think it will have the same affect as the Dwarf"s version? I'm not particularly knowledgeable about the Bard class, but they seem on the squishy side, at least compared to the Dwarf.

Brokkr wrote:

jedibcg wrote: Maybe the plan is give the bard a taunt with the new character cards. It does seem like a bardish thing to do. It could be Jeff has an idea what he wants to do with the cards to some degree and that is why we see fury on the Barbarian legendary. MAYBE.

If we do see taunt on the Bard's revised card do you think it will have the same affect as the Dwarf"s version? I'm not particularly knowledgeable about the Bard class, but they seem on the squishy side, at least compared to the Dwarf.

The dwarf version "go ahead, hit me, I can take it!"

The bard version, "Nyah, nyah, na nah na, you can't hit me!"

I hope bard gets taunt on the main card.

Claymore

This is a reprint with a different damage wheel. Seems like the intent is to create a new standard for 2h melee weapon sword damage, as Great Sword and Claymore do the exact same damage, but I think the name has to change or it confuses character builders and players, if having a new uncommon damage wheel is the plan.

Dust of Wealtouch

On other tokens capitalize spell and not Healing. Can this include ranger or is ranger going to lose its healing Spell when classes are redone? (In which case, I'd like to see paladin gain spells, but this all seems too far into the future to worry about.)

Uncommon potions normally give 3 curing. I guess it's unclear what the ratio should be as there are ads/disads between spells and potions. With Linked Shirt of Healing, spells are likely stronger this year.

Earcuff of Muted Tones

So, Earcuff of Muting gets an upgrade when there's bardsong in effect? This seems so pointless, being a bunch of PS fodder. To my knowledge, I've never received sonic damage. While that has a lot to do with not knowing what sort of damage I'm receiving most of the time, I'm thinking sonic is not high on the commonality chart.

Earcuff of Crenellations effect (since reprinting a completion is out) sounds more relevant to 2020 and any other time.

While bardsong is in effect, something happens isn't my cup of tea, but the best I can think of is "Missile attacks deal +1 dmg when Bardsong is heard" (I'd prefer a "Your" added to the beginning but trying to be similar to other tokens). Sure, bardsong is crazy powerful already. But, only one earcuff increases damage and it doesn't depend upon bardsong. +1 missile is less powerful than +1 melee, and not every party is running around with awesome instruments, especially not for someone equipping an uncommon in the ear slot.

**edit** Or, since this is a + to hit for missile year, instead of +1 dmg with bardsong, +1 to hit with missiles with bardsong, which is thematically better, anyway. "Guide me to accuracy, little drummer boy."

Gloves of Archery

Is the slight change in wording on this reprint significant?

Long Bow

Reprint with different damage wheel.

Potion Middling Healing

"Cures ..."

Potion Polymorph (Saluki)

One last comment about establishing the precedent that Salukis hate undead and totally should have some undead relating ability ...

Riftseed

I didn't look at every one use whatever this qualifies as uncommon. In every case where I found something that sounds like it works the same way, the damage wheel here is inferior. Devil Wasp Orb is way higher. Alchemist Fire is higher. Sacredseed is higher. Firebloom Geode. Etc. It occurs to me that I don't really know how these sorts of weapons work since I never use them - do they not add STR damage due to some feature you can find in the tokendb?

Scroll Scorching Bolt

Any particular reason to not reprint Scroll Scorching Ray with updated wording since they do the same thing?

Linked Healing

As already noted, fix title.

Short Spear

Seems like short spears are the new in thing as we just got Nether Short Spear. I still find this inclusion very strange. It's a functional reprint of a common and strictly worse than an uncommon from last year. If the intent is to establish an evergreen [ha] weapon token at uncommon, okay, whatever. I still like the Innkeeper's Club being reprinted for 2020 for Kingkiller reasons, but I guess I'm the only one (plus it has different class restrictions).

Strider Armor & Sylvan Armor

The standard for uncommon armor, +1 to Fort or +1 to Ref is +4 to AC.

Alchemist Ink is only getting two tokens at common and two at uncommon. I'd still like to see AI get more fodder at these levels of rarity.