TOPIC: Ultra Rare Token Ideas

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

SnakeEyes (Eric) wrote:

Fiddy wrote:
As for a new UR... Redoubt Grieves. I wanna get decked-out in redoubt!

While I concur with your assessment, please, no UR Treasure box only tokens.
Unless the plan for greaves has changed, they are treasure only.

I'm fine making grieves a non-treasure box token just for this UR or having a Treasure Box Only UR should not be something given or taken lightly. And allowing the Fighters or Barbarian to drop the shield or helm and still get the Redoubt bonus would be HUGE and some real love for those loveless classes.

Speaking of loveless...

Fiddy wrote:

Starkhound (Edwin) wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Fiddy wrote: Fighters could also use a little love given how the Hammers nearly completely closed the gap between what weapon Fighters can wield and what everyone else can. Being able to wield all weapons loses a lit of impact when there is a choice available to everyone that matches the best choice. And armor gap also tightened up with Hat of Hellway.

Nah... Just wait patiently for 2021 and really let the fun fly for Clerics and Fighters.

2021 is way too many years of having every other class deal as much damage as a Fighter. We need a weapon, or at least a path to a Fighter-type only weapon to start now! Might I suggest a sword from a fallen kingdom?

BeLinda Mathie wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Guantlets of Might, +4 St and part of Might set.

Accomplishes both reprint of Mithral Gauntlets and having a new Might token to go with all the Boots and Scepters of Might readily available on the secondary market.

Good enough to stand alone if you aren't doing the Might Set, just like lots of people used the Mithral Gauntlets without the Mithral set.

+1

If there were Might Gauntlets that shouldn't be a complete power creep of the Mithral. Make them +3 Str and Part of the Might Set.

jedibcg wrote:

BeLinda Mathie wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Guantlets of Might, +4 St and part of Might set.

Accomplishes both reprint of Mithral Gauntlets and having a new Might token to go with all the Boots and Scepters of Might readily available on the secondary market.

Good enough to stand alone if you aren't doing the Might Set, just like lots of people used the Mithral Gauntlets without the Mithral set.

+1

If there were Might Gauntlets that shouldn't be a complete power creep of the Mithral. Make them +3 Str and Part of the Might Set.

Why is +4 St power creep? The Mithral Gauntlets are part of the Mithral sets, the Might Gauntlets would be part of the Might Set. Both would be +4 St with Set Bonuses.

Mike Steele wrote: Why is +4 St power creep? The Mithral Gauntlets are part of the Mithral sets, the Might Gauntlets would be part of the Might Set. Both would be +4 St with Set Bonuses.

Are you seriously trying to say the Mithral set is as strong as the Might set? I doubt there are many still using the Mithral set, but I know there are a fair number still using the Might set.

I would lover an UR runestone I don't have to turn in. that would make my life super sexy and easy.

jedibcg wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Why is +4 St power creep? The Mithral Gauntlets are part of the Mithral sets, the Might Gauntlets would be part of the Might Set. Both would be +4 St with Set Bonuses.

Are you seriously trying to say the Mithral set is as strong as the Might set? I doubt there are many still using the Mithral set, but I know there are a fair number still using the Might set.

I think they're close enough that +4 St is reasonable. The Might Set is used by a lot fewer people now as well, now that there are better options to get to +1 Level. I think it would be too weak at +3 St.

Mike Steele wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Why is +4 St power creep? The Mithral Gauntlets are part of the Mithral sets, the Might Gauntlets would be part of the Might Set. Both would be +4 St with Set Bonuses.

Are you seriously trying to say the Mithral set is as strong as the Might set? I doubt there are many still using the Mithral set, but I know there are a fair number still using the Might set.

I think they're close enough that +4 St is reasonable. The Might Set is used by a lot fewer people now as well, now that there are better options to get to +1 Level. I think it would be too weak at +3 St.

Don't the damage bonuses inherent to the might set make up for the fact it would be 1 less strength?

Mike Steele wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Why is +4 St power creep? The Mithral Gauntlets are part of the Mithral sets, the Might Gauntlets would be part of the Might Set. Both would be +4 St with Set Bonuses.

Are you seriously trying to say the Mithral set is as strong as the Might set? I doubt there are many still using the Mithral set, but I know there are a fair number still using the Might set.

I think they're close enough that +4 St is reasonable. The Might Set is used by a lot fewer people now as well, now that there are better options to get to +1 Level. I think it would be too weak at +3 St.

Close? at 3 Mithral gets you all breath weapon damage inflicted upon your character is halved.
at 3 Might gets you a +1 level. Sorry half breath weapon damage is not close to a level bump.

There is no bonus for 4 Mithral. At 4 Might you get a level bump and +2 damage. Might pulls even further away from being close.

At 5 Mithral gets you the half breath damage and +10 damage against undead. At 5 Might is bring in the level bump and +4 damage. I am still thinking Might is far from close.

Endgame wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Why is +4 St power creep? The Mithral Gauntlets are part of the Mithral sets, the Might Gauntlets would be part of the Might Set. Both would be +4 St with Set Bonuses.

Are you seriously trying to say the Mithral set is as strong as the Might set? I doubt there are many still using the Mithral set, but I know there are a fair number still using the Might set.

I think they're close enough that +4 St is reasonable. The Might Set is used by a lot fewer people now as well, now that there are better options to get to +1 Level. I think it would be too weak at +3 St.

Don't the damage bonuses inherent to the might set make up for the fact it would be 1 less strength?

Honestly I agree with Mike on this one, at +3 strength is to weak (even with the set bonus change).

Besides which they would be just another not quite functional reprint of Mithral Gauntlets that I would pass on just like I have passed on Gloves of Weapon Finesse (argument was hit valuable then damage), Gauntlets of Linked Fury (argument was its so much damage), Gloves of the Brute (argument was +/- item should be equivalent).

Honestly I don't understand the push back there always is against +4 str gloves. We've tried literally everything to stop people asking for Mithral Gauntlets other then just giving them what they seem to keep asking for year over year.

Picc wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Why is +4 St power creep? The Mithral Gauntlets are part of the Mithral sets, the Might Gauntlets would be part of the Might Set. Both would be +4 St with Set Bonuses.

Are you seriously trying to say the Mithral set is as strong as the Might set? I doubt there are many still using the Mithral set, but I know there are a fair number still using the Might set.

I think they're close enough that +4 St is reasonable. The Might Set is used by a lot fewer people now as well, now that there are better options to get to +1 Level. I think it would be too weak at +3 St.

Don't the damage bonuses inherent to the might set make up for the fact it would be 1 less strength?

Honestly I agree with Mike on this one, at +3 strength is to weak (even with the set bonus change).

Besides which they would be just another not quite functional reprint of Mithral Gauntlets that I would pass on just like I have passed on Gloves of Weapon Finesse (argument was hit valuable then damage), Gauntlets of Linked Fury (argument was its so much damage), Gloves of the Brute (argument was +/- item should be equivalent).

Honestly I don't understand the push back there always is against +4 str gloves. We've tried literally everything to stop people asking for Mithral Gauntlets other then just giving them what they seem to keep asking for year over year.

I totally agree, I've never understood the pushback every year against another +4 St Gauntlet. It's like the pushback for years against a +1 Mighty Long Bow reprint, with many arguing it was way too overpowered. And then it was pretty underwhelming when finally reprinted, it didn't throw off the balance of the game.

Picc wrote: Honestly I don't understand the push back there always is against +4 str gloves. We've tried literally everything to stop people asking for Mithral Gauntlets other then just giving them what they seem to keep asking for year over year.

I can only say I have no push back on a reprint of the Mithral gauntlets. I think they are overpowered but they are already loose so I haven't anything against that. I am against anything that is clearly more powerful than an already overpowered token at the UR level. +4 and Might would be even more overpowered.

jedibcg wrote:

Picc wrote: Honestly I don't understand the push back there always is against +4 str gloves. We've tried literally everything to stop people asking for Mithral Gauntlets other then just giving them what they seem to keep asking for year over year.

I can only say I have no push back on a reprint of the Mithral gauntlets. I think they are overpowered but they are already loose so I haven't anything against that. I am against anything that is clearly more powerful than an already overpowered token at the UR level. +4 and Might would be even more overpowered.

Many have said the Gauntlets of Brute Strength are more powerful than the Mithral Bracers.