TOPIC: Melee Damage in 2020

Endgame wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Replace Relsa's with RoSS and Replace SRoEC with Ring of the Eel. Ring of the Eel adds 20 damage over SRoEC in this equation.

How many times does the character in question get hit to trigger the 3 retribution damage?

Also, is 20 melee damage worth the 10 elemental resist, +2 healing, and +1 damage?

In a standard dungeon? MAYBE 1 time.

In a point comparing damage outputs you compare theoretical best builds, not builds nerfed to not maximize. (and in a standard dungeon? Yes)

Both points being said the Druid is better off running fully spell based next year by +50 damage output minimum

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Counting the Drake Ring and Arcane Belt from Next year gets us to +31 spell damage

Free Firebolt for 42/44 via Arcane Set
Spell Surge Call Lightning for 65/71
Call Lightning for 48/51
Call Lightning from Crown of Expertise for 48/51
Call Lightning from Ring of Spell Storing for 48/51
Firebolt for 42/44
Firebolt for 42/44
Firebolt for 42/44 from Charm of Spell Swapping
Freezing Orb for 39/42
Freezing Orb for 39/42

455/485


spell druid

STR: 14
DEX: 29
CON: 16
INT: 16
WIS: 19
CHA: 20

Melee:
Hit: 7 Damage: 9 AC: 22

Range:
Hit: 10 Damage: 12 AC: 22 Missle AC: 0

Spell:
Damage: 33 Heal: 27 Resist: 0

Saves:
Reflex: 19 Fort: 16 Will: 17

Treasure:
Min: 3 Max: 3

Health: 42

Damage Reduction:

Melee	Range	Spell	Fire	Cold	Shock	Sonic	Eldritch	Poison	Darkrift	Sacred
0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

Melee Mainhand: Drue’s +5 Baton of Focus
Melee Offhand: Shield of the Scholar
Ranged Mainhand: +1 Mighty Sling
Ranged Offhand: Shield of the Scholar
Head: Crown of Expertise
Eyes: Lenses of Focus
Left Ear: Earcuff of Inspiration
Right Ear: 2020 Arcane Earcuff
Neck: Hand of Glory
Bead: Bead of the Lucky Traveler
Torso: Aron’s Sunhide Robe
Wrist: Arcane 2020
Hands: Blessed Tempest Gloves
Back: Pharacus’ Greater Cloak of Destiny
Ring: Relsa’s Ring of Supreme Focus
Ring: Ring of Greater Focus
Ring: Ring of Spell Storing
Waist: 2020 Focus Belt
Shirt: Shirt of Focus
Legs: Kilt of Dungeonbane - Dexterity
Shins: Flameguard Greaves
Boots: Boots of the Four Winds
Figurine: Figurine of Power: Cat
Charm: Charm of Awakened Synergy
Charm: Charm of Spell Swapping
Ioun Stone: EmptySlotless: Greater Mistletoe
Slotless: Gregor’s Tome of Focus
Slotless: Rod of Seven Parts
Runestone: Empty

you missed Ioun Stone Banshee Prism 2020 +2 spell damage

That i did!

So that boosts us up to 475/505

Rogue with assassin’s crossbow does more damage.

Fred

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: That i did!

So that boosts us up to 475/505

Hand of Glory could become Medallion of Focus or Necklace of the Norns.

Or medallion of Mystic Mouth

Endgame wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: That i did!

So that boosts us up to 475/505

Hand of Glory could become Medallion of Focus or Necklace of the Norns.

With the Charm of Glory in 2020 yes.

Endgame wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: That i did!

So that boosts us up to 475/505

Hand of Glory could become Medallion of Focus or Necklace of the Norns.

Or medallion of Mystic Mouth

why not amulet of shock? +2 spell damage

Fred K wrote: Rogue with assassin’s crossbow does more damage.

Fred

Do you know, if you equip nightshade's but don't use it for sneak attack (rather a ranged weapon), is the sneak attack damage still doubled if crit is confirmed?

Kakitahan wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: That i did!

So that boosts us up to 475/505

Hand of Glory could become Medallion of Focus or Necklace of the Norns.

Or medallion of Mystic Mouth

why not amulet of shock? +2 spell damage

Yep, the Amulet of Shock is going into a few builds

Thanks Jake, this is super great!

I might change the hit/crit rates on Rangers to match monks.

To Ed's point of surviviability, if someone has the stomach for it, it would be interesting to see how the builds shake out under somewhat "realistic" assumptions, namely:

1. Charm of Avarice, Ioun Stone Silver Nugget, Ioun Stone Gold Nugget equipped in all builds.

2. Some minimal survivability - say the build wants to get to at least: 22 AC, +10 to all saves, either 40 HP and Charm of Synergy/Awakened Synergy or 50 HP.

My gut sense is that doing this will not change things much, it will probably bring down all classes about -2/-4 or so, I'm not sure if it will switch around classes but it might narrow some gaps.

Kakitahan wrote:

Fred K wrote: Rogue with assassin’s crossbow does more damage.

Fred

Do you know, if you equip nightshade's but don't use it for sneak attack (rather a ranged weapon), is the sneak attack damage still doubled if crit is confirmed?

I would be very surprised if this were the case.

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Were many combats hitting 3 rounds this year? I think all of my combats at GenCon ended in round 2 outside of room 7?

Assuming Nightmare/Epic here and this is a clear indicator the Nightmare is too easy.

Ed