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RFID on future Dragon Orbs? 5 years 9 months ago #25

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Mike Steele wrote:

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Great news, and it seems to open up a lot of neat options for the future.

Regarding the Charms of Avarice, it should give Jeff great data on how often each is used, and some insight on whether there is a lot of loaning going on. It would show, for instance, if there are ever instances of them being used on overlapping runs.

I wonder if this would give Jeff the ability to "soul bond" TE or other tokens, so they would only work for a single individual at a convention (or forever).


I would hate to see TE’s to be soul bonded. That would kill the value of them and was never explained when created.
If they wanted to reissue 5th level tokens with RFID and track them per player that would make sense because they should be soul bonded.
That being said I am not against the tracking idea at all. It has many good uses. I also would be in favor of giving legendary items serial numbers.


I wouldn't want the traditional soul bond, but Jeff might like the option to limit how many different people can use a TE token at a given convention. He didn't really have any way to track or enforce that, maybe he now has that option to consider. I'm not sure if the system will/can track which person is using it on a run, or can just tell which runs it's used on but can't track who is using it.


No reason you couldn't scan both the token & a badge to track specifically who was using the tokens. Convention (or season specific) tokens could be interesting, but to be honest I'm not in favor of anything that restricts tokens ability to change hands. One of the big justifications for having thousands of dollars in tokens just sitting around is that I can always sell them if I needed to.
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RFID on future Dragon Orbs? 5 years 9 months ago #26

I think RFID ultimately is a good idea but due to the cost I don't see it ever being pervasive in TD (i.e. in common tokens) which does limit some of those cool ideas (i.e. automatic character building, story immersion by a piece of rope).

I would warn about "soul binding" TEs until all the use cases are captured. For example, the person that has all the TE for their group and has them scanned. To ensure soul binding somehow each person would need to be scanned as well. Is that based upon badge (bad idea - badges aren't connected to TD nor always someone's legal name), Forum Name (bad idea - hard to prove), or some other third option.

There would have to be some sort of system of record for soul binding that was provable in the scanning room (difficult logistics). All I am saying, is an idea may seem cool but before it can be considered/implemented all the scenarios should be considered.

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RFID on future Dragon Orbs? 5 years 9 months ago #27

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Mike Steele wrote:

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Great news, and it seems to open up a lot of neat options for the future.

Regarding the Charms of Avarice, it should give Jeff great data on how often each is used, and some insight on whether there is a lot of loaning going on. It would show, for instance, if there are ever instances of them being used on overlapping runs.

I wonder if this would give Jeff the ability to "soul bond" TE or other tokens, so they would only work for a single individual at a convention (or forever).


I would hate to see TE’s to be soul bonded. That would kill the value of them and was never explained when created.
If they wanted to reissue 5th level tokens with RFID and track them per player that would make sense because they should be soul bonded.
That being said I am not against the tracking idea at all. It has many good uses. I also would be in favor of giving legendary items serial numbers.


I wouldn't want the traditional soul bond, but Jeff might like the option to limit how many different people can use a TE token at a given convention. He didn't really have any way to track or enforce that, maybe he now has that option to consider. I'm not sure if the system will/can track which person is using it on a run, or can just tell which runs it's used on but can't track who is using it.


No reason you couldn't scan both the token & a badge to track specifically who was using the tokens. Convention (or season specific) tokens could be interesting, but to be honest I'm not in favor of anything that restricts tokens ability to change hands. One of the big justifications for having thousands of dollars in tokens just sitting around is that I can always sell them if I needed to.


Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting that TE tokens be tied to one person forever, just that Jeff may have the option of limiting how many people can use one at a single convention. That wouldn't prevent them from being sold.

That said, maybe Jeff does have the ability now to "soul bond " tokens permanently, like the artifacts are.

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RFID on future Dragon Orbs? 5 years 9 months ago #28

An idea I suggested a long time ago is now more viable with RFID-embedded tokens, and that is an official token registration system. Here is how it works:

1) You have a website with an account and a password
2) You can somehow register which RDIF-embedded tokens you own
3) You can view and manage your inventory of tokens
4) You can report a token as lost or stolen. This will cause the token to be flagged as unusable in the dungeon if anybody scans it. I'm not saying we get into the business of repossessing stolen tokens, but we could invalidate lost or stolen tokens.
5) You can pick a token you own and enter an email address. The system will email that person verifying that you own that token (buyer can use this before sending you payment).
6) You can transfer a token to another email address (when selling or trading it). Should use an email validation to make sure you really meant to transfer the token.
7) OPTIONALLY: Jeff could offer a "token replacement program". If a registered token is reported as lost or stolen, Jeff could send you a replacement (for a fee, say $15 or so). Thanks to the RFID scanners in the dungeon, this won't be something that can be scammed.

Regarding point #2, and really for most of this, we would have to have our own personal RFID scanners to do any significant trading or selling. Many of us have multiples of tokens like the Charm of Avarice, so we'd have to have a way to figure out which one we were trading or selling.
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RFID on future Dragon Orbs? 5 years 9 months ago #29

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MasterED wrote: I think RFID ultimately is a good idea but due to the cost I don't see it ever being pervasive in TD (i.e. in common tokens) which does limit some of those cool ideas (i.e. automatic character building, story immersion by a piece of rope).



We could always move RFID gear entirely to the low end transmutes area. It would cut down the number of RFID tokens we would need to produce. Give people new to transmuting something to make that will feel like it has a direct impact on their run. Raise immersion if the gear does something in the dungeon. And maybe even provide a way to get gear out of the commons of future sets entirely.

Worth considering at any rate.
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RFID on future Dragon Orbs? 5 years 9 months ago #30

Mike Steele wrote:
Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting that TE tokens be tied to one person forever, just that Jeff may have the option of limiting how many people can use one at a single convention. That wouldn't prevent them from being sold.

That said, maybe Jeff does have the ability now to "soul bond " tokens permanently, like the artifacts are.


So the tokens would need to be unique as well so I know that this CoA is tied to me and not one of the other 9 I have. If they are verified by the trainer still we need to make sure we get back the ones tied to us and not someone else.
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RFID on future Dragon Orbs? 5 years 9 months ago #31

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Mike Steele wrote:
Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting that TE tokens be tied to one person forever, just that Jeff may have the option of limiting how many people can use one at a single convention. That wouldn't prevent them from being sold.

That said, maybe Jeff does have the ability now to "soul bond " tokens permanently, like the artifacts are.


So the tokens would need to be unique as well so I know that this CoA is tied to me and not one of the other 9 I have. If they are verified by the trainer still we need to make sure we get back the ones tied to us and not someone else.


For my group it would be ideal if all 10 were tied to me. If Jeff ever implemented something like that.

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RFID on future Dragon Orbs? 5 years 9 months ago #32

jedibcg wrote: So the tokens would need to be unique as well so I know that this CoA is tied to me and not one of the other 9 I have.


My Hammer fell into the void with a bunch of others. Chandler had them all in his pocket. (That was the point I checked out, but that’s another story.) I knew he was handing me back the wrong one because mine had a strip of Mongo’s tape on it.

This RFID thing makes me nervous. Things move around a lot, and the tech stuff in the dungeons tends get wonky. I’m thinking of two rooms in N1 that were fun when they worked right, and frustrating AF when they didn’t. And they seemed much simpler than some things being proposed.

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RFID on future Dragon Orbs? 5 years 9 months ago #33

How well do RFID chips stand up to magnets?
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valetutto wrote: How well do RFID chips stand up to magnets?

For all us Tool Band-It users, that's a great question!
Have you looked it up in the TDb ?
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RFID on future Dragon Orbs? 5 years 9 months ago #35

Druegar wrote:

valetutto wrote: How well do RFID chips stand up to magnets?

For all us Tool Band-It users, that's a great question!


And if they were ever put in weapons our new pucks have some decent magnets in them.


Not an issue for dragon orbs but this topic has strayed a lot.
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RFID on future Dragon Orbs? 5 years 9 months ago #36

Brad Mortensen wrote:

jedibcg wrote: So the tokens would need to be unique as well so I know that this CoA is tied to me and not one of the other 9 I have.


My Hammer fell into the void with a bunch of others. Chandler had them all in his pocket. (That was the point I checked out, but that’s another story.) I knew he was handing me back the wrong one because mine had a strip of Mongo’s tape on it.


I was not a fan of that mechanism either. With all the concerns over counterfeiting and people having proxies (even though they shouldn't) mixing everyone's legendaries together was a really bad idea.

But that is a bit off topic I suppose.

The RFID in CoA is a good idea. Then they can ensure the same CoA is not checked multiple times, or going through the dungeon twice during the same 2-hour window. I think they should be numbered on the front too.
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