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Please post your questions here 6 years 11 months ago #61

Actually, you know what solves a lot of this TE problem now that stamps are gone?

Have a couple of the XP desk people in the training rooms to hand out treasure chips there. Folks can practice while waiting their turns. Chances of passing off TEs to other parties are minimized if not eliminated. People sail out of the epilogue area instead of standing around in bored fire-hazardy clumps.

Just hand out the completion tokens and xp voucher at the end, but that will go much faster.

Just a thought.

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Please post your questions here 6 years 11 months ago #62

Brad Mortensen wrote: Actually, you know what solves a lot of this TE problem now that stamps are gone?

Have a couple of the XP desk people in the training rooms to hand out treasure chips there. Folks can practice while waiting their turns. Chances of passing off TEs to other parties are minimized if not eliminated. People sail out of the epilogue area instead of standing around in bored fire-hazardy clumps.

Just hand out the completion tokens and xp voucher at the end, but that will go much faster.

Just a thought.


Under those rules, couldn't people just go from group to group to group, loaning them the treasure enhancing tokens in training rooms, taking their share of the loot, and move to the next group without even going on the run? Or waiting until the treasure coins/pulls are distributed and then hand off the treasure enhancing tokens to another group?

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Please post your questions here 6 years 11 months ago #63

Incognito wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Unusual because during the entire crafting period of the CoA, and the entire purchase period of the AoTF and ISSN there has been no mention of a request to not loan these tokens to fellow adventurers within the same party as the owner.

People, such as me, made transmutation and purchasing decisions on the premise that they can equip their party with URTEs just like they can with any other token.


In the previous post, I pointed out several mentions of the request to not loan tokens from last year, so there HAS been mention of that request.


I should have been clearer, I was attempting to say: TPTB have not made a request, instruction, or policy regarding the loaning of recently printed URTEs including CoA, AOTF, or ISSN during the (often voluminous) discussion of these tokens while they were being designed or in print.

I believe this is a correct statement.

I think a blanket "no loaning URTEs, full stop" policy is a bad policy. (If loaning means allowing any non-owner to equip the token).

I think launching such a policy shortly after COA, AOTF, and ISSN have been printed will lead to bad customer experience.

I think a good policy might be: "No loaning URTEs to people not on a run with you." or "No loaning URTEs in exchange for anything of value, and/or to people not on a run with you." might be a good policy.

I'm hopeful my strict reading of the brief and informal message in the newsletter as "no loaning URTE, full stop" is incorrect.

That's why I asked for clarification here from TBTP.

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Please post your questions here 6 years 11 months ago #64

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Incognito wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Unusual because during the entire crafting period of the CoA, and the entire purchase period of the AoTF and ISSN there has been no mention of a request to not loan these tokens to fellow adventurers within the same party as the owner.

People, such as me, made transmutation and purchasing decisions on the premise that they can equip their party with URTEs just like they can with any other token.


In the previous post, I pointed out several mentions of the request to not loan tokens from last year, so there HAS been mention of that request.


I should have been clearer, I was attempting to say: TPTB have not made a request, instruction, or policy regarding the loaning of recently printed URTEs including CoA, AOTF, or ISSN during the (often voluminous) discussion of these tokens while they were being designed or in print.

I believe this is a correct statement.

I think a blanket "no loaning URTEs, full stop" policy is a bad policy. (If loaning means allowing any non-owner to equip the token).

I think launching such a policy shortly after COA, AOTF, and ISSN have been printed will lead to bad customer experience.

I think a good policy might be: "No loaning URTEs to people not on a run with you." or "No loaning URTEs in exchange for anything of value, and/or to people not on a run with you." might be a good policy.

I'm hopeful my strict reading of the brief and informal message in the newsletter as "no loaning URTE, full stop" is incorrect.

That's why I asked for clarification here from TBTP.


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Please post your questions here 6 years 11 months ago #65

Mike Steele wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: Actually, you know what solves a lot of this TE problem now that stamps are gone?

Have a couple of the XP desk people in the training rooms to hand out treasure chips there. Folks can practice while waiting their turns. Chances of passing off TEs to other parties are minimized if not eliminated. People sail out of the epilogue area instead of standing around in bored fire-hazardy clumps.

Just hand out the completion tokens and xp voucher at the end, but that will go much faster.

Just a thought.


Under those rules, couldn't people just go from group to group to group, loaning them the treasure enhancing tokens in training rooms, taking their share of the loot, and move to the next group without even going on the run? Or waiting until the treasure coins/pulls are distributed and then hand off the treasure enhancing tokens to another group?


I said "training room," not "coaching room." So, no, I don't think it would be easy to pass tokens from group to group.

Especially if the party has to show the tokens as they pass through to room 1.

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Please post your questions here 6 years 11 months ago #66

Rob F wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Incognito wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Unusual because during the entire crafting period of the CoA, and the entire purchase period of the AoTF and ISSN there has been no mention of a request to not loan these tokens to fellow adventurers within the same party as the owner.

People, such as me, made transmutation and purchasing decisions on the premise that they can equip their party with URTEs just like they can with any other token.


In the previous post, I pointed out several mentions of the request to not loan tokens from last year, so there HAS been mention of that request.


I should have been clearer, I was attempting to say: TPTB have not made a request, instruction, or policy regarding the loaning of recently printed URTEs including CoA, AOTF, or ISSN during the (often voluminous) discussion of these tokens while they were being designed or in print.

I believe this is a correct statement.

I think a blanket "no loaning URTEs, full stop" policy is a bad policy. (If loaning means allowing any non-owner to equip the token).

I think launching such a policy shortly after COA, AOTF, and ISSN have been printed will lead to bad customer experience.

I think a good policy might be: "No loaning URTEs to people not on a run with you." or "No loaning URTEs in exchange for anything of value, and/or to people not on a run with you." might be a good policy.

I'm hopeful my strict reading of the brief and informal message in the newsletter as "no loaning URTE, full stop" is incorrect.

That's why I asked for clarification here from TBTP.


+1


Back my proposal. Are you saying that selling people a ticket at a discount and lending them tokens in exchange for treasure should be disallowed? What if I rephrased it that I'm lending tokens for free and pre-buying some of the treasure?

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Please post your questions here 6 years 11 months ago #67

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Im sorry to see this has become an issue, but I fully understand the concern. I suspect (and I want to be clear its only a suspicion, I haven't heard anything official) it might have been brought into focus by the amount of treasure farmed at GHC last year.

There were some little gree bags that were laced with some truly statisticaly improbably good treasure there that I again only suspect may have originally been intended as part of the volenteer compensation. Once word got out those bags quickly vanished, TPTB then had to work late on saturday night constructing new (and from what I head significantly less spicy) volenteer loot bags from whatever treasue/transmute fodder was left. I know at least a few people shared the suspicion and had a sour taste.

That situation may have been at least partially exacerbated by at least one individual (who shall remain nameless since I truly belive they were trying to make sure others had a good time) who was repeatedly "sending his treasure enhancers through with people" to make sure they had a good experience on the way out. Well road to hell and all that.
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Please post your questions here 6 years 11 months ago #68

Picc wrote: Im sorry to see this has become an issue, but I fully understand the concern. I suspect (and I want to be clear its only a suspicion, I haven't heard anything official) it might have been brought into focus by the amount of treasure farmed at GHC last year.

... Well road to hell and all that.


We've been talking about this for a few years. We were focusing so much on GenCon that we didn't consider TD branching out to other, cheaper cons.

Hate to say it, but if the treasure mix at GenCon is built for $50-60 tickets, then it pretty much was to be watered down with a lot more uncommons where the tickets are half that price, and don't allow chips from other cons to be used at GenCon. Unless you want to ration tickets. Or, raise the tickets to GenCon prices. Otherwise, the current loot cap just begs people to farm at GHC.

It's Econ 101.

And, at least two Nuggets to go. It's only going to get worse.

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Please post your questions here 6 years 11 months ago #69

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Incognito wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Unusual because during the entire crafting period of the CoA, and the entire purchase period of the AoTF and ISSN there has been no mention of a request to not loan these tokens to fellow adventurers within the same party as the owner.

People, such as me, made transmutation and purchasing decisions on the premise that they can equip their party with URTEs just like they can with any other token.


In the previous post, I pointed out several mentions of the request to not loan tokens from last year, so there HAS been mention of that request.


I should have been clearer, I was attempting to say: TPTB have not made a request, instruction, or policy regarding the loaning of recently printed URTEs including CoA, AOTF, or ISSN during the (often voluminous) discussion of these tokens while they were being designed or in print.

I believe this is a correct statement.

I think a blanket "no loaning URTEs, full stop" policy is a bad policy. (If loaning means allowing any non-owner to equip the token).

I think launching such a policy shortly after COA, AOTF, and ISSN have been printed will lead to bad customer experience.

I think a good policy might be: "No loaning URTEs to people not on a run with you." or "No loaning URTEs in exchange for anything of value, and/or to people not on a run with you." might be a good policy.

I'm hopeful my strict reading of the brief and informal message in the newsletter as "no loaning URTE, full stop" is incorrect.

That's why I asked for clarification here from TBTP.


+1


Back my proposal. Are you saying that selling people a ticket at a discount and lending them tokens in exchange for treasure should be disallowed? What if I rephrased it that I'm lending tokens for free and pre-buying some of the treasure?


My +1 was because I liked Matt's response. Eric did a good job of pointing out past discussions where this came up and Matt did a nice job of clarifying his position, which I tend to agree with. But with only one CoA I don't have much skin in this game. Just following the thread.
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Please post your questions here 6 years 11 months ago #70

I believe that we were required to show treasure enhancing tokens in the epilogue room in the past, so I think doing that going forward is a good plan. I would like to think that if you carry, through the dungeon, all of the TEs for your group, that should be fine. Just be prepared to show them in the epilogue room.

On the question of farming, I am pretty sure we are already there. Treasure chips have been selling for more than $4-5 on ebay, so a maxed out player can pay for the price of the ticket. Yes, if enough people did this, it would lower the price and get us back to a break even point, but the max number of chips is going up in the future.

When it comes to which chips are usable and where, maybe add an expiration date in the future? In lieu of a date, maybe 'Use before Gen Con 20XX' would suffice?

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Please post your questions here 6 years 11 months ago #71

balthasar wrote: When it comes to which chips are usable and where, maybe add an expiration date in the future? In lieu of a date, maybe 'Use before Gen Con 20XX' would suffice?


Or, no chips at satellite cons. Just draw immediately. That would be a train wreck to go back to that at GenCon, but for smaller cons with only one or two dungeons, not sooo bad.

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Please post your questions here 6 years 11 months ago #72

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Picc wrote: Im sorry to see this has become an issue, but I fully understand the concern. I suspect (and I want to be clear its only a suspicion, I haven't heard anything official) it might have been brought into focus by the amount of treasure farmed at GHC last year.

... Well road to hell and all that.


We've been talking about this for a few years. We were focusing so much on GenCon that we didn't consider TD branching out to other, cheaper cons.

Hate to say it, but if the treasure mix at GenCon is built for $50-60 tickets, then it pretty much was to be watered down with a lot more uncommons where the tickets are half that price, and don't allow chips from other cons to be used at GenCon. Unless you want to ration tickets. Or, raise the tickets to GenCon prices. Otherwise, the current loot cap just begs people to farm at GHC.

It's Econ 101.

And, at least two Nuggets to go. It's only going to get worse.


Since we were given 2016 treasure chips at GHC, saving them for GenCon 2017 wouldn't work.

I think people may be overpaying for treasure chips. There is no guarantee the treasure mix will be as juicy this year.

I didn't get but one green bag at GHC. But my draws from the boxes were pretty juicy as well.
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