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+5 Final Transmute Recipes 5 years 6 months ago #121

It looks like there's a huge glut of mystic silk, Darkwood plank, and Philosopher's Stone. Should the recipes be increased for these and maybe decreased for others?

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+5 Final Transmute Recipes 5 years 6 months ago #122

Mike Steele wrote: It looks like there's a huge glut of mystic silk, Darkwood plank, and Philosopher's Stone. Should the recipes be increased for these and maybe decreased for others?


I definitely have a glut of those 3 items.

The ogre mage belt can suck up a fair bit of silk.
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+5 Final Transmute Recipes 5 years 6 months ago #123

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Mike Steele wrote: It looks like there's a huge glut of mystic silk, Darkwood plank, and Philosopher's Stone. Should the recipes be increased for these and maybe decreased for others?


I definitely have a glut of those 3 items.

The ogre mage belt can suck up a fair bit of silk.


Not so much on Darkwood Planks for me. But certainly Silk and Stones.
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+5 Final Transmute Recipes 5 years 6 months ago #124

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Mike Steele wrote: It looks like there's a huge glut of mystic silk, Darkwood plank, and Philosopher's Stone. Should the recipes be increased for these and maybe decreased for others?


I think they already adjusted it somewhat I know they swapped some values with the ink and parchment.

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+5 Final Transmute Recipes 5 years 6 months ago #125

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: It looks like there's a huge glut of mystic silk, Darkwood plank, and Philosopher's Stone. Should the recipes be increased for these and maybe decreased for others?


I definitely have a glut of those 3 items.

The ogre mage belt can suck up a fair bit of silk.


The past week i have been sorting tokens into 'mulch' bags. I have a lot more mystic silk than i expected. I had thought the first draft of recipes was too heavy on silk, but i didnt realize how many tokens convert to silk vs other goods. Philosopher stone does this on a smaller scale; i have plenty, but not swimming in them. And darkwood plank is ridiculous. I have at least 70 of them...after setting aside what i need for my 2019 transmutes (including one of each relic)...and BEFORE converting anything from my 2018 tokens (which includes an 8k purchase and 2 cons worth of token draws). I think the only time planks ran low was the year of the keen slayer bow.

As for short stacks; other than golden fleece, the things limiting me from making legendaries are dwarven steel and alchemist ink. I can only speculate on why dwarven steel is so low for me: i did sell trade goods, so maybe i priced them too low and ran myself out, or maybe because we dont get commons in the treasure box, so i only replenish steel with an actual token purchase. For ink, i know the problem is that i keep a lot of potions: healing, polymorph, and leaping attack type potions...so, i COULD make the ink i need, but i dont want to mulch the potions i have.

That brings up an interesting question: should TD consider what the players keep when 'pricing' the transmutes, or should the recipes be based on everything that is available regardless of what players keep vs mulch?
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+5 Final Transmute Recipes 5 years 6 months ago #126

I am sitting on a trove of Polymorph Potions as well. With the new poly Necklace Relic/Legendary, I'm debating what I should do with said potions.

Part of me is worried after seeing what happened to MoMM and thinks it's better to hang onto the potions.
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+5 Final Transmute Recipes 5 years 6 months ago #127

For me the reason I am always short on Dwarven Steel is because they common weapons are not in the boxes. NOT saying they should be but just that with the number of pulls I get over multiple cons, DS is something I am usually oddly low on. Silk, Planks and Stones I have way too many of. Enchanter's munitions are also starting to pile up for me. I don't think they are used much in 2019 recipes for some reason.
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+5 Final Transmute Recipes 5 years 6 months ago #128

Managed economies have a history of failing, often epically and tragically. Fiddling usually makes it worse. And I hate mind-reading.

The simplest is probably just to create recipes with consideration for the number of trade goods in circulation. E.g. I have one of every common, uncommon, rare, trophy, and completion-token since 2007 in binders. No point in counting them, even if it was possible. Maybe they’ll be mulched some day, but not by me.

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+5 Final Transmute Recipes 5 years 6 months ago #129

I've seen Planks go for as low as $1 now on some of the latest auctions. And I know that some of the big collectors are sitting on a TON of trade goods. I think you could easily double the trade good requirements in these recipes and there would still be a flood of Goods out there. Plus the new Legendaries are class specific which I believe will lead to less being made then Legendaries from past years which will mean even more Goods on the market at lower prices. I think it's time for another level above Legendary. Mythical Sword of some sort. Not much more powerful but hard to make. +7 vs. plus +5. Takes 5 legendaries to make plus a bunch of non specific UR's and a ton of trade goods.
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+5 Final Transmute Recipes 5 years 6 months ago #130

Dwarven Steel is almost always the limiter for me.
D&D teaches all the important lessons in life - the low blow, the cheap shot, the back stab, the double cross. - Jerry Marsischky

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+5 Final Transmute Recipes 5 years 6 months ago #131

Harlax wrote: Dwarven Steel is almost always the limiter for me.


The same with me currently. It seems the recipe mix usually tries to address the gluts of trade items. Given that the three I mentioned seem to have fallen into the $1 - $2 range each, even after these recipes were released, indicates to me that we need to increase them significantly, and maybe ease up even more on Dwarven Steel.

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+5 Final Transmute Recipes 5 years 6 months ago #132

Rob F wrote: I've seen Planks go for as low as $1 now on some of the latest auctions. And I know that some of the big collectors are sitting on a TON of trade goods. I think you could easily double the trade good requirements in these recipes and there would still be a flood of Goods out there. Plus the new Legendaries are class specific which I believe will lead to less being made then Legendaries from past years which will mean even more Goods on the market at lower prices. I think it's time for another level above Legendary. Mythical Sword of some sort. Not much more powerful but hard to make. +7 vs. plus +5. Takes 5 legendaries to make plus a bunch of non specific UR's and a ton of trade goods.


I think we need to be careful about designing recipes with collectors in mind.

I love the idea of mythic weapons or a level above legendary.

Harlax wrote: Dwarven Steel is almost always the limiter for me.


Me too, though I think that is because I like to make weapons and armor.

I think things aren't too bad, though I would support adding in more stone and plank and taking out a little steel if we decided to go that route.
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