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Endgame wrote: Perfectly OK to stack this charm If you have a HoP (worth at least 5 Ioun stones), but stacking with 2 ioun stones is totally not OK? Odd logic.

Virtually no one is going to use the Charm of Treasure Boosting with a HoP. If you own a HoP odds are you already own other TE tokens.

Look at the purpose of the Charm of Treasure Boosting. It allows a newer player without UR TE to pick up a Rare TE, use it for +1 treasure (inexpensive Rare). Then transmute a Charm of Treasure Boosting for +2 treasure (more expensive but less than the cost of an UR).

Then they want to take the plunge for a UR Ioun Stone. They get rid of their Rare and now have the Charm and Ioun Stone for +3 Treasure Chips (all beyond the normal ticket).

They really love TD and now want to buy a second UR TE token, now is when they retire the Charm of Treasure Boosting after their purchase and they are 4+ TE.

How you implement it I am agnostic to, as long as that player path is kept I am good.

Ed

Unless the Ioun stones make a big jump, AoTF costs a lot more than 2 IS's.

I also don't think we should be comparing HoP to 2x Ioun stones either. Very unrealistic.

Arnold wrote: Unless the Ioun stones make a big jump, AoTF costs a lot more than 2 IS's.

I also don't think we should be comparing HoP to 2x Ioun stones either. Very unrealistic.

I bought a AoTF at Gen Con for 175, while Silver Nuggets ran me 125 each. Perhaps I should have just bought 3 extra AoTF instead of Silver Nuggets at that price.

Anyway, why is it OK to boost the AoTF (5 treasure pulls total), but not a Silver Nugget + a Gold Nugget (5 treasure pulls total)?

MasterED wrote:

Endgame wrote: Perfectly OK to stack this charm If you have a HoP (worth at least 5 Ioun stones), but stacking with 2 ioun stones is totally not OK? Odd logic.

Virtually no one is going to use the Charm of Treasure Boosting with a HoP. If you own a HoP odds are you already own other TE tokens.

Look at the purpose of the Charm of Treasure Boosting. It allows a newer player without UR TE to pick up a Rare TE, use it for +1 treasure (inexpensive Rare). Then transmute a Charm of Treasure Boosting for +2 treasure (more expensive but less than the cost of an UR).

Then they want to take the plunge for a UR Ioun Stone. They get rid of their Rare and now have the Charm and Ioun Stone for +3 Treasure Chips (all beyond the normal ticket).

They really love TD and now want to buy a second UR TE token, now is when they retire the Charm of Treasure Boosting after their purchase and they are 4+ TE.

How you implement it I am agnostic to, as long as that player path is kept I am good.

Ed

So pay $100 for a Nugget and throw away your Cloak for a net +1. Then spend another $100 to buy another Nugget and throw away your Whetstone for another +1.

If the recipe is cheap enough, like 50GP plus a Plank, then maybe. But we all know it won’t be. Some people have already advocated for the Whetstone to cost around a PYP.

Brad Mortensen wrote: If the recipe is cheap enough, like 50GP plus a Plank, then maybe. But we all know it won’t be. Some people have already advocated for the Whetstone to cost around a PYP.

I think there is confusion between the Charm of Treasure Boosting (Treasure Booster) and the Enchanter's Whetstone (Weapon Booster).

Yes, I expect the Whestone to cost (in ingredients) somewhere between a Rare and UR (middle ground)

The Charm of Treasure Boosting I expect will be lower then middle ground.

Ed

Endgame wrote:

Arnold wrote: Unless the Ioun stones make a big jump, AoTF costs a lot more than 2 IS's.

I also don't think we should be comparing HoP to 2x Ioun stones either. Very unrealistic.

I bought a AoTF at Gen Con for 175, while Silver Nuggets ran me 125 each. Perhaps I should have just bought 3 extra AoTF instead of Silver Nuggets at that price.

Anyway, why is it OK to boost the AoTF (5 treasure pulls total), but not a Silver Nugget + a Gold Nugget (5 treasure pulls total)?

Because if you want to get the IS Gold Nugget this year it is better to have all three without the Charm since it won't work. The Plan for the Charm is to boost folks with 1 TE token. Mostly those with the Rare. If you got one UR TE chances are you will get/have more than 1. And if you got the ISSN, you can get the ISGN this year and the IS Platinum Nugget in two more years.

MasterED wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: If the recipe is cheap enough, like 50GP plus a Plank, then maybe. But we all know it won’t be. Some people have already advocated for the Whetstone to cost around a PYP.

I think there is confusion between the Charm of Treasure Boosting (Treasure Booster) and the Enchanter's Whetstone (Weapon Booster).

Yes, I expect the Whestone to cost (in ingredients) somewhere between a Rare and UR (middle ground)

The Charm of Treasure Boosting I expect will be lower then middle ground.

Ed

Yeah, called it the wrong thing. Same point.

If it’s meant to encourage token-buying, I think it should just be free, 1 per player

Brad Mortensen wrote:
Yeah, called it the wrong thing. Same point.

If it’s meant to encourage token-buying, I think it should just be free, 1 per player

Though I will not be getting/making any as the sole token buyer/obtainer for my group I would not like that if it was a token I wanted for my group. Because of that there might be someone in a similar position that actually wants the token. I DO think there probably should be some sort of limit so we don't have another Charm of Health issue.

jedibcg wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:
Yeah, called it the wrong thing. Same point.

If it’s meant to encourage token-buying, I think it should just be free, 1 per player

Though I will not be getting/making any as the sole token buyer/obtainer for my group I would not like that if it was a token I wanted for my group. Because of that there might be someone in a similar position that actually wants the token. I DO think there probably should be some sort of limit so we don't have another Charm of Health issue.

I think the recipe will not be the cheap 3 star (that is the Canteen). This is a 4 star I don't see the same things happening with the CoTB as the CoH.

Ed

Picc wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Raven wrote:

MasterED wrote: On the Charm of Treasure Boosting...

Any UR or lower Treasure Enhancer is +1. May only equip one Treasure Enhancing token.

+1

This wording is much clearer to me.

Works for me too. Does that fit on a token?

+2 Love this wording!

Agree - quite clear!

jedibcg wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Arnold wrote: Unless the Ioun stones make a big jump, AoTF costs a lot more than 2 IS's.

I also don't think we should be comparing HoP to 2x Ioun stones either. Very unrealistic.

I bought a AoTF at Gen Con for 175, while Silver Nuggets ran me 125 each. Perhaps I should have just bought 3 extra AoTF instead of Silver Nuggets at that price.

Anyway, why is it OK to boost the AoTF (5 treasure pulls total), but not a Silver Nugget + a Gold Nugget (5 treasure pulls total)?

Because if you want to get the IS Gold Nugget this year it is better to have all three without the Charm since it won't work. The Plan for the Charm is to boost folks with 1 TE token. Mostly those with the Rare. If you got one UR TE chances are you will get/have more than 1. And if you got the ISSN, you can get the ISGN this year and the IS Platinum Nugget in two more years.

That still doesn't explain why its OK for this TE booster to give you a 8th treasure token if you have a AoTF, but its not OK for this TE booster to give you a 8th token if you have a Silver and Gold nugget.

MasterED wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:
Yeah, called it the wrong thing. Same point.

If it’s meant to encourage token-buying, I think it should just be free, 1 per player

Though I will not be getting/making any as the sole token buyer/obtainer for my group I would not like that if it was a token I wanted for my group. Because of that there might be someone in a similar position that actually wants the token. I DO think there probably should be some sort of limit so we don't have another Charm of Health issue.

I think the recipe will not be the cheap 3 star (that is the Canteen). This is a 4 star I don't see the same things happening with the CoTB as the CoH.

Ed

You’re probably right, but I think that’ll make it the first four-star designed to be obsolete within a year.