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Harlax wrote: This may seem like an odd question, but should a 6th level player also get the 1 token bonus when using the Charm of Treasure Boosting?

Amulet of Treasure Finding - 4 (or Charm of Good Fortune if the rest of the party has one)
Charm of Treasure Boosting - 1
Standard loot -3
6th level bonus -1

Max of 9.


Can Ghosts equip the Charm? Cant think of a reason why not, but some may find it objectionable.

I wouldn't see why not as that is a player level bonus and isn't affected by character level/equipment. I would also say you are right about ghosts, since they can equip other charms like CoA.

I’m definitely disappointed with the kilt. I’ll make a kilt or two but I’ll keep a Fatherbane and likely use it 90% of the time. If I’m looking for hit points I’ll use the new kilt.

Mike Steele wrote:

Picc wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Picc wrote:

Rob F wrote: Suggestions to Text:

Charm of Treasure Boosting - Not a fan of "(& no CoA)". If you can fit it suggest changing text to: "+1 Treasure Chip. Cannot equip CoA. Can only equip one other Treasure Enhancer"

How about

+1 treasure total when equiped with another UR or lower TE. (Max X chips)

Since at some point there will probably be another relic/legendary TE we might not want this to stack with.

Good point. But maybe change "another" to "one other". So: "one other UR or lower Treasure Enhancer"

I like that better

If you have an Ioun Stone and a CoA, it might be interpreted to still stack with both, since there is just one other UR or lower treasure enhancer.

True...hmm.. What about "+1 Treasure Chip, must equip one (and only one) non-Legendary TE"

EDIT: You could always try and squeeze the word "also" between "must" and "equip" but it's already pretty wordy.

Mike Steele wrote:

Picc wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Picc wrote:

Rob F wrote: Suggestions to Text:

Charm of Treasure Boosting - Not a fan of "(& no CoA)". If you can fit it suggest changing text to: "+1 Treasure Chip. Cannot equip CoA. Can only equip one other Treasure Enhancer"

How about

+1 treasure total when equiped with another UR or lower TE. (Max X chips)

Since at some point there will probably be another relic/legendary TE we might not want this to stack with.

Good point. But maybe change "another" to "one other". So: "one other UR or lower Treasure Enhancer"

I like that better

If you have an Ioun Stone and a CoA, it might be interpreted to still stack with both, since there is just one other UR or lower treasure enhancer.

+1 treasure chip when equipped with exactly one Treasure Enhancing token (UR or lower only)

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Picc wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Picc wrote:

Rob F wrote: Suggestions to Text:

Charm of Treasure Boosting - Not a fan of "(& no CoA)". If you can fit it suggest changing text to: "+1 Treasure Chip. Cannot equip CoA. Can only equip one other Treasure Enhancer"

How about

+1 treasure total when equiped with another UR or lower TE. (Max X chips)

Since at some point there will probably be another relic/legendary TE we might not want this to stack with.

Good point. But maybe change "another" to "one other". So: "one other UR or lower Treasure Enhancer"

I like that better

If you have an Ioun Stone and a CoA, it might be interpreted to still stack with both, since there is just one other UR or lower treasure enhancer.

+1 treasure chip when equipped with exactly one Treasure Enhancing token (UR or lower only)

That wording seems pretty good.

On the Charm of Treasure Boosting...

• Want it to work with existing/future Rare TE
• Want it to work with only 1 UR TE
• Want it to not work with a transmuted TE (CoA)

I think the verbiage TPTB are trying to get to is (but it probably won't fit):

Any UR or lower Treasure Enhancer is +1. May only equip one Treasure Enhancing token.

Ed

MasterED wrote: On the Charm of Treasure Boosting...

• Want it to work with existing Rare TE
• Want it to work with only 1 UR TE
• Want it to not work with a transmuted TE (CoA)

I think the verbiage TPTB are trying to get to is (but it probably won't fit):

Any UR or lower Treasure Enhancer is +1. May only equip one Treasure Enhancing token.

Ed

What about future Rare TE, if any?

Harlax wrote:

MasterED wrote: On the Charm of Treasure Boosting...

• Want it to work with existing Rare TE
• Want it to work with only 1 UR TE
• Want it to not work with a transmuted TE (CoA)

I think the verbiage TPTB are trying to get to is (but it probably won't fit):

Any UR or lower Treasure Enhancer is +1. May only equip one Treasure Enhancing token.

Ed

What about future Rare TE, if any?

I don't think future Rare TE would be an issue if the previous, and current (2019) Rare is ok. Regardless I updated my post to clarify. Thanks!

Ed

MasterED wrote: On the Charm of Treasure Boosting...

• Want it to work with existing/future Rare TE
• Want it to work with only 1 UR TE
• Want it to not work with a transmuted TE (CoA)

I think the verbiage TPTB are trying to get to is (but it probably won't fit):

Any UR or lower Treasure Enhancer is +1. May only equip one Treasure Enhancing token.

Ed

That wording is probably better, it sounds more like a TE Booster than a TE token.

Matthew Hayward wrote:
The idea is to nudge players into URs.

Putting a treasure cap doesn't do that, it just becomes a bonus to anyone without a CoA.

Of course it does. They just pass it to their buddy a Nugget or two later.

And so what if it helps out someone who already has a CoGF? They get one Nugget, max out at ten. Then they pass it on to allow for a second Nugget, and they’re off to the races.

Or, they buy a Nugget every two years, then hit Level 6. Now they’re at 10 on the own, and pass along the whetstone.

If I’m a coder, I’d MUCH rather deal with a cap than this endless parade of nested ifs.

And what’s the harm? This whole “one TE” thing just feels petty and pointless to me, never mind convoluted.

“Yes, I get 21 treasure. How dare you want more than 6! Be off, peasants!”

Come on. Here, I’ll fix it for you:

“One TE grants +1 TC (10 max)”

Done

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:
The idea is to nudge players into URs.

Putting a treasure cap doesn't do that, it just becomes a bonus to anyone without a CoA.

Of course it does. They just pass it to their buddy a Nugget or two later.

And so what if it helps out someone who already has a CoGF? They get one Nugget, max out at ten. Then they pass it on to allow for a second Nugget, and they’re off to the races.

If I’m a coder, I’d MUCH rather deal with a cap than this endless parade of nested ifs.

And what’s the harm? This whole “one TE” thing just feels petty and pointless to me, never mind convoluted.

“Yes, I get 21 treasure. How dare you want more than 6! Be off, peasants!”

Come on. Here, I’ll fix it for you:

“One TE grants +1 TC (10 max)”

Done

+1 to this. Easier to code, easier to fit on the token. If the issue is really a cap at 10 because someone could buy 3 nuggets and still benefit from the charm, then make it 8 max (allows for mixing with AoTF or 2 nuggets). If you really only want it to work with 1 nugget or 1 rare TE, make it 6 max.

To fully write it out, the description would probaby look like this:

One Treasure Enhancing token gains +1 Treasure chip. Max 6 treasure.

Endgame wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:
The idea is to nudge players into URs.

Putting a treasure cap doesn't do that, it just becomes a bonus to anyone without a CoA.

Of course it does. They just pass it to their buddy a Nugget or two later.

And so what if it helps out someone who already has a CoGF? They get one Nugget, max out at ten. Then they pass it on to allow for a second Nugget, and they’re off to the races.

If I’m a coder, I’d MUCH rather deal with a cap than this endless parade of nested ifs.

And what’s the harm? This whole “one TE” thing just feels petty and pointless to me, never mind convoluted.

“Yes, I get 21 treasure. How dare you want more than 6! Be off, peasants!”

Come on. Here, I’ll fix it for you:

“One TE grants +1 TC (10 max)”

Done

+1 to this. Easier to code, easier to fit on the token. If the issue is really a cap at 10 because someone could buy 3 nuggets and still benefit from the charm, then make it 8 max (allows for mixing with AoTF or 2 nuggets). If you really only want it to work with 1 nugget or 1 rare TE, make it 6 max.

To fully write it out, the description would probaby look like this:

One Treasure Enhancing token gains +1 Treasure chip. Max 6 treasure.

I believe that 6 is too low. Now someone has to decide, do I spend $100 on a second Nugget for a net +1 treasure? Seems like a hard sell. I think 10 is the magic number.