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FINAL Transmute Images 5 years 7 months ago #61

Double checking that the appropriate tokens have the transmute URL on them.

All of these have the URL and a corresponding transmute:
  • (C) 50 GP Icewood Canteen -> Canteen of Quaffing
  • (UC) 100 GP Jade Sculpture -> Figurine of Power: Dog
  • (UC) 100 GP Malachite Sculpture -> Figurine of Power: Dog
  • (R) +1 Keen Bolt -> Enchanter's Whetstone
  • (R) Bead Firehold -> Bead of the Lucky Traveler
  • (R) Belt of Ogre Power -> Belt of Ogre Mage Power
  • (R) Charm of the Faithful -> Charm of Treasure Boosting
  • (UR) Lute of Fury -> Lute of Free Fury
  • (UR) Shaman’s Belt -> Shaman’s Greater Necklace
  • (UR) Shoes of the Sneak -> Necklace of the Sneak

There are also a few that still have the URL, but no corresponding transmute. Should these have the URL removed?
  • (C) Potion Vigor Root
  • (R) 300 GP Garnet Sculpture
  • (R) 350 GP Gold Sculpture
  • (R) 400 GP Ruby Sculpture

Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but I just wanted to make sure.
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FINAL Transmute Images 5 years 7 months ago #62

Picc wrote:

Rob F wrote: Suggestions to Text:

Charm of Treasure Boosting - Not a fan of "(& no CoA)". If you can fit it suggest changing text to: "+1 Treasure Chip. Cannot equip CoA. Can only equip one other Treasure Enhancer"


How about

+1 treasure total when equiped with another UR or lower TE. (Max X chips)

Since at some point there will probably be another relic/legendary TE we might not want this to stack with.


I only want to point out that it was decreed that the charm is not a treasure enhancer. I believe the terminology thrown out was Treasure Enhancer Booster.

Relevant because you shouldn't be using the word "another" or "other".
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FINAL Transmute Images 5 years 7 months ago #63

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jedibcg wrote:

Picc wrote:

Rob F wrote: Suggestions to Text:

Charm of Treasure Boosting - Not a fan of "(& no CoA)". If you can fit it suggest changing text to: "+1 Treasure Chip. Cannot equip CoA. Can only equip one other Treasure Enhancer"


How about

+1 treasure total when equiped with another UR or lower TE. (Max X chips)

Since at some point there will probably be another relic/legendary TE we might not want this to stack with.

Very valid concern. Your suggestion doesn’t address multiple UR’s though.


I hoped "total" would get across the limit, but failing that (Max X chips) let's us set a hard limit. We can always clarify on tokendb & the coaching crib sheets.
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FINAL Transmute Images 5 years 7 months ago #64

Rob F wrote: Suggestions to Text:

Charm of Treasure Boosting - Not a fan of "(& no CoA)". If you can fit it suggest changing text to: "+1 Treasure Chip. Cannot equip CoA. Can only equip one other Treasure Enhancer"


I'd just get rid of any mention of the CoA on the token, to save space.

I'm NOT suggesting it ACTUALLY stack with the CoA, just maybe the space can be better used to clarify the meaning. The CoA can be thought of as three enhancers rolled into one, so wouldn't that inherently break the one enhancer limit? Leaving it off also makes it less awkward to exclude any future legendary enhancers.
Last edit: by Andrew Knoll.
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FINAL Transmute Images 5 years 7 months ago #65

Andrew Knoll wrote:

Rob F wrote: Suggestions to Text:

Charm of Treasure Boosting - Not a fan of "(& no CoA)". If you can fit it suggest changing text to: "+1 Treasure Chip. Cannot equip CoA. Can only equip one other Treasure Enhancer"


I'd just get rid of any mention of the CoA on the token, to save space.

I'm NOT suggesting it ACTUALLY stack with the CoA, just maybe the space can be better used to clarify the meaning. The CoA can be thought of as three enhancers rolled into one, so wouldn't that inherintly break the one enhancer limit? Leaving it off also makes it less awkward to exclude any future legendary enhancers.

The most elegant solution is probably too limit Mac treasure draws, so you never have to worry about creating an expanding list of things it doesn't work with. Cap treasure at 10 if the token is equipped and call it a day?
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FINAL Transmute Images 5 years 7 months ago #66

Endgame wrote:

Andrew Knoll wrote:

Rob F wrote: Suggestions to Text:

Charm of Treasure Boosting - Not a fan of "(& no CoA)". If you can fit it suggest changing text to: "+1 Treasure Chip. Cannot equip CoA. Can only equip one other Treasure Enhancer"


I'd just get rid of any mention of the CoA on the token, to save space.

I'm NOT suggesting it ACTUALLY stack with the CoA, just maybe the space can be better used to clarify the meaning. The CoA can be thought of as three enhancers rolled into one, so wouldn't that inherintly break the one enhancer limit? Leaving it off also makes it less awkward to exclude any future legendary enhancers.

The most elegant solution is probably too limit Mac treasure draws, so you never have to worry about creating an expanding list of things it doesn't work with. Cap treasure at 10 if the token is equipped and call it a day?


The idea is to nudge players into URs.

Putting a treasure cap doesn't do that, it just becomes a bonus to anyone without a CoA.

The idea is:

You get a +1 treasure crown - Neat!

Then you make this - Neat!

Then you buy an Ioun Stone Platinum Nugget, give your Crown to a buddy, and still get to use this - Neat!

OK - training wheels are off, if you want more treasure enhancers you need multiple URs.
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FINAL Transmute Images 5 years 7 months ago #67

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Andrew Knoll wrote:

Rob F wrote: Suggestions to Text:

Charm of Treasure Boosting - Not a fan of "(& no CoA)". If you can fit it suggest changing text to: "+1 Treasure Chip. Cannot equip CoA. Can only equip one other Treasure Enhancer"


I'd just get rid of any mention of the CoA on the token, to save space.

I'm NOT suggesting it ACTUALLY stack with the CoA, just maybe the space can be better used to clarify the meaning. The CoA can be thought of as three enhancers rolled into one, so wouldn't that inherintly break the one enhancer limit? Leaving it off also makes it less awkward to exclude any future legendary enhancers.

The most elegant solution is probably too limit Mac treasure draws, so you never have to worry about creating an expanding list of things it doesn't work with. Cap treasure at 10 if the token is equipped and call it a day?


The idea is to nudge players into URs.

Putting a treasure cap doesn't do that, it just becomes a bonus to anyone without a CoA.

The idea is:

You get a +1 treasure crown - Neat!

Then you make this - Neat!

Then you buy an Ioun Stone Platinum Nugget, give your Crown to a buddy, and still get to use this - Neat!

OK - training wheels are off, if you want more treasure enhancers you need multiple URs.


Cap treasure at 6 or 8 pulls then - depends if you want to include amulet of treasure finding or not. I think the cap ends up with easier to read text on the token and automatically takes into account the next big te transmutes.
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FINAL Transmute Images 5 years 7 months ago #68

Picc wrote:

Rob F wrote: Suggestions to Text:

Charm of Treasure Boosting - Not a fan of "(& no CoA)". If you can fit it suggest changing text to: "+1 Treasure Chip. Cannot equip CoA. Can only equip one other Treasure Enhancer"


How about

+1 treasure total when equiped with another UR or lower TE. (Max X chips)

Since at some point there will probably be another relic/legendary TE we might not want this to stack with.


Good point. But maybe change "another" to "one other". So: "one other UR or lower Treasure Enhancer"
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FINAL Transmute Images 5 years 7 months ago #69

jedibcg wrote:

Picc wrote:

Rob F wrote: Suggestions to Text:

Charm of Treasure Boosting - Not a fan of "(& no CoA)". If you can fit it suggest changing text to: "+1 Treasure Chip. Cannot equip CoA. Can only equip one other Treasure Enhancer"


How about

+1 treasure total when equiped with another UR or lower TE. (Max X chips)

Since at some point there will probably be another relic/legendary TE we might not want this to stack with.

Very valid concern. Your suggestion doesn’t address multiple UR’s though.


+1 treasure chip when equipped with exactly one UR or lower Treasure Enhancing token.
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FINAL Transmute Images 5 years 7 months ago #70

This may seem like an odd question, but should a 6th level player also get the 1 token bonus when using the Charm of Treasure Boosting?

Amulet of Treasure Finding - 4 (or Charm of Good Fortune if the rest of the party has one)
Charm of Treasure Boosting - 1
Standard loot -3
6th level bonus -1

Max of 9.


Can Ghosts equip the Charm? Cant think of a reason why not, but some may find it objectionable.
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FINAL Transmute Images 5 years 7 months ago #71

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I would say no to ghosts.

Rob F wrote:

Picc wrote:

Rob F wrote: Suggestions to Text:

Charm of Treasure Boosting - Not a fan of "(& no CoA)". If you can fit it suggest changing text to: "+1 Treasure Chip. Cannot equip CoA. Can only equip one other Treasure Enhancer"


How about

+1 treasure total when equiped with another UR or lower TE. (Max X chips)

Since at some point there will probably be another relic/legendary TE we might not want this to stack with.


Good point. But maybe change "another" to "one other". So: "one other UR or lower Treasure Enhancer"


I like that better
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FINAL Transmute Images 5 years 7 months ago #72

Picc wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Picc wrote:

Rob F wrote: Suggestions to Text:

Charm of Treasure Boosting - Not a fan of "(& no CoA)". If you can fit it suggest changing text to: "+1 Treasure Chip. Cannot equip CoA. Can only equip one other Treasure Enhancer"


How about

+1 treasure total when equiped with another UR or lower TE. (Max X chips)

Since at some point there will probably be another relic/legendary TE we might not want this to stack with.


Good point. But maybe change "another" to "one other". So: "one other UR or lower Treasure Enhancer"


I like that better


If you have an Ioun Stone and a CoA, it might be interpreted to still stack with both, since there is just one other UR or lower treasure enhancer.
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