TOPIC: FINAL Ultra Rare Images

MasterED wrote:

Fiddy wrote: Just that Monks shouldn't be able to equip this at the same time they equip two weapons. The character builders already prevent you from building a character like that, but as others pointed out already, a Monk could sleaze by equipping the crystal and then using an offhand weapon in the Dungeon. I don't think it is worth trying to come with a way to prevent that, but I do think there is no reason to open the door to Rangers also sleazing, since technically that option shouldn't even exist.

Yeah, got it - where was my head!

Guess my Monk won't be using any new UR items from this year's set.

Ed

You heard it here first. Ed won't be using an ISGN for his monk.

Fiddy wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

MasterED wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: I would also consider adding Monk to the list of people not allowed, if not then think about how to deal with this sleaze:

Monk equips Eternal Ice Crystal in character builder, gets +3 to damage on the party card. Then in the dungeon Monk switches to 2 Flurry of Blows compatible weapons and gets the damage boost anyway (since it's on the party card).

I am sure that could happen but why, when a Monk will equip a 1 handed FoB to start with (all FoB are 1 handed) and the Crystal in the off-hand to start with.

Why would they change their weapons? Unless you are saying they might switch to a non-FoB weapon (i.e. 2 Handed one) - which any class could also do.

Ed

It seems like people are wanting the character generators, and the token itself, to specifically disallow rangers and monks, to prevent a very particular type of "cheating" to falsely increase ones melee damage stat.

If we are worried about this, honestly everything is on the table. There is no way to check in the dungeon if you really had everything you say you had plugged into the app.

You could just show a questors for the free reroll of a 1.

You can carry a dozen figurines and just show the one you need to in that moment.

You can equip a UR for a specific bonus, then switch it out to a different one with a higher bonus.

Our game is on the honor system (we control our own HP!), this is a solution in search of a problem.

If the Brawler's mug has set a precedent, we should follow that, barring an extremely compelling reason not to.

There's a difference between Rangers and Monks.

Rangers cannot use this item, as they must slide two pucks in melee. The rules even explicitly state that if a Ranger loses one of their melee weapons, they must switch to ranged combat. (from the PHB)

Monks have the option to slide one or two pucks in melee. They should still be able to equip this item, but not if they're using a second melee weapon.

So the token itself should be marked to exclude Rangers, but not Monks.

Absolutely correct. Definitely an oversight on my part.

The token should probably read "all except ranger"

Perhaps this was answered in one of the older threads but I have a question about the Charm of Quick Strike.

'If party rolls a natural "15-20" on Initiative, you may immediately slide a normal attack before combat'

Does "a normal attack" mean monks and rangers get to slide both pucks or only one?

Milambus (Jake) wrote: Perhaps this was answered in one of the older threads but I have a question about the Charm of Quick Strike.

'If party rolls a natural "15-20" on Initiative, you may immediately slide a normal attack before combat'

Does "a normal attack" mean monks and rangers get to slide both pucks or only one?

Could a wizard slide for a spell requiring a slide?

Bob Chasan wrote:

Milambus (Jake) wrote: Perhaps this was answered in one of the older threads but I have a question about the Charm of Quick Strike.

'If party rolls a natural "15-20" on Initiative, you may immediately slide a normal attack before combat'

Does "a normal attack" mean monks and rangers get to slide both pucks or only one?

Could a wizard slide for a spell requiring a slide?

Wizards can't use the Charm.

Bob Chasan wrote:

Milambus (Jake) wrote: Perhaps this was answered in one of the older threads but I have a question about the Charm of Quick Strike.

'If party rolls a natural "15-20" on Initiative, you may immediately slide a normal attack before combat'

Does "a normal attack" mean monks and rangers get to slide both pucks or only one?

Could a wizard slide for a spell requiring a slide?

Wizards can’t use that item.

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Absolutely correct. Definitely an oversight on my part.

The token (Eternal Ice Crystal) should probably read "all except ranger"

So why could a Ranger not use a 1 handed sling in Ranged mode and not equip this? I am not saying it will help them I am just saying that they could equip it - nothing is stopping them.

You are putting a ruling on the token because the likelihood of a melee Ranger using it is nil.

There is another option.

Add a Rare level damage wheel to it like [1 2 3 4 5 6]. Now the Ranger can use it, certainly not ideal and if the weapon was FoB Monks could use it as well (which they haven't had an UR since 2014). Sure there might be one coming next year just figured I would fix the problem now.

By the way if you add the +3 damage in then it takes it from a 3.5 to 6.5 which is still lower than the Viper Fang (7.5) and not a +2 to hit.

Ed

MasterED wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Absolutely correct. Definitely an oversight on my part.

The token (Eternal Ice Crystal) should probably read "all except ranger"

So why could a Ranger not use a 1 handed sling in Ranged mode and not equip this? I am not saying it will help them I am just saying that they could equip it - nothing is stopping them.
Ed

Are you sure? I thought we had a thread about whether a ranger could just slide 1 weapon or not. I thought the answer was no, but I am having trouble finding the thread.

jedibcg wrote:

MasterED wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Absolutely correct. Definitely an oversight on my part.

The token (Eternal Ice Crystal) should probably read "all except ranger"

So why could a Ranger not use a 1 handed sling in Ranged mode and not equip this? I am not saying it will help them I am just saying that they could equip it - nothing is stopping them.
Ed

Are you sure? I thought we had a thread about whether a ranger could just slide 1 weapon or not. I thought the answer was no, but I am having trouble finding the thread.

I agree Melee - we are sliding Ranged with a 1 handed sling.

I am just saying they wouldn't be sliding Melee and the token wouldn't help them but if they want to do that, so be it.

Ed

Found the thread I was looking for.

www.truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=590&id=243840&start=48#262401

Per Jeff, rangers must slide two pucks every time they make a melee attack. However, they may attack with only one melee weapon--either by choice or circumstance. If attacking with only one melee weapon, rangers must still slide two pucks--one empty and one loaded with a weapon token.

Sounds like the ranger can use it.

jedibcg wrote: Found the thread I was looking for.

www.truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=590&id=243840&start=48#262401

Per Jeff, rangers must slide two pucks every time they make a melee attack. However, they may attack with only one melee weapon--either by choice or circumstance. If attacking with only one melee weapon, rangers must still slide two pucks--one empty and one loaded with a weapon token.

Sounds like the ranger can use it.

I would add that the PHB needs to be updated because it says...

During the adventure, if for any reason a ranger loses one of their melee weapons and doesn’t have access to a suitable back-up, the ranger would need to rely on ranged attacks, spells, buffing, or offering moral support to their party.

Ed

Thanks for the feedback. Good catches! We will look into the PHB change soon.