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FINAL Ultra Rare Images 11 months 2 weeks ago #37

Phrash wrote: Hat of the Hellway got super nerfed. Ouch.


I honestly didn't like it too much before, but certainly won't bother getting it now. I will keep using Charming Crown on the classes that can't use the Redoubt Helms, and on Rogue I will use the new Hood of Shadows (unless I do the transmute).
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FINAL Ultra Rare Images 11 months 2 weeks ago #38

Jeff321 wrote: Those negatives on the Kilt, wow! :lol:

+15 HP swing going from UR to Eldritch. Lose 1 melee to-hit, but damage is a wash if you include the set bonus. Even the min-maxer in me is not going to take all those negatives for just +1 to-hit.

In fact I doubt I would keep any of the UR Kilts. I had been collecting an extra set just in case I wanted to max one stat, but it's probably not worth it. So now I'm thinking I will just transmute both sets into 2 Eldritch Kilts. In that regard, I guess the Kilts are a success.


Yeah, i know. After all the debating i was worried that i might be tempted to not transmute all my kilts (i will have 4 sets), but the negatives on the STR kilt are crazy bad. The CON kilt isnt worth keeping since you can still get 15hp. Only the DEX is a question, but giving up 2 DEX for 10hp? Done. In fact, can i do that again? And again? And...uh, how much DEX do i have?
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FINAL Ultra Rare Images 11 months 2 weeks ago #39

kurtreznor wrote:

Jeff321 wrote: Those negatives on the Kilt, wow! :lol:

+15 HP swing going from UR to Eldritch. Lose 1 melee to-hit, but damage is a wash if you include the set bonus. Even the min-maxer in me is not going to take all those negatives for just +1 to-hit.

In fact I doubt I would keep any of the UR Kilts. I had been collecting an extra set just in case I wanted to max one stat, but it's probably not worth it. So now I'm thinking I will just transmute both sets into 2 Eldritch Kilts. In that regard, I guess the Kilts are a success.


Yeah, i know. After all the debating i was worried that i might be tempted to not transmute all my kilts (i will have 4 sets), but the negatives on the STR kilt are crazy bad. The CON kilt isnt worth keeping since you can still get 15hp. Only the DEX is a question, but giving up 2 DEX for 10hp? Done. In fact, can i do that again? And again? And...uh, how much DEX do i have?


I'm with you, the DEX one is the only question. If I want DEX for a ranged build (I have a ranged ranger build with Io's bow), I'd rather just have the Eldritch Kilt because the set bonus would give +1 ranged damage. It's much harder to get ranged damage than ranged to-hit so it's an easy trade there. If I need DEX for a stat requirement (currently I don't have Thor's), there are enough other ways to get the DEX.
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FINAL Ultra Rare Images 11 months 2 weeks ago #40

Eternal Ice Crystal should have "All except Ranger" just like the Rare Brawler's Mug (Rangers must slide two weapons in melee, this is not a weapon).


I would also consider adding Monk to the list of people not allowed, if not then think about how to deal with this sleaze:

Monk equips Eternal Ice Crystal in character builder, gets +3 to damage on the party card. Then in the dungeon Monk switches to 2 Flurry of Blows compatible weapons and gets the damage boost anyway (since it's on the party card).
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FINAL Ultra Rare Images 11 months 2 weeks ago #41

Jeff321 wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Jeff321 wrote: Those negatives on the Kilt, wow! :lol:

+15 HP swing going from UR to Eldritch. Lose 1 melee to-hit, but damage is a wash if you include the set bonus. Even the min-maxer in me is not going to take all those negatives for just +1 to-hit.

In fact I doubt I would keep any of the UR Kilts. I had been collecting an extra set just in case I wanted to max one stat, but it's probably not worth it. So now I'm thinking I will just transmute both sets into 2 Eldritch Kilts. In that regard, I guess the Kilts are a success.


Yeah, i know. After all the debating i was worried that i might be tempted to not transmute all my kilts (i will have 4 sets), but the negatives on the STR kilt are crazy bad. The CON kilt isnt worth keeping since you can still get 15hp. Only the DEX is a question, but giving up 2 DEX for 10hp? Done. In fact, can i do that again? And again? And...uh, how much DEX do i have?


I'm with you, the DEX one is the only question. If I want DEX for a ranged build (I have a ranged ranger build with Io's bow), I'd rather just have the Eldritch Kilt because the set bonus would give +1 ranged damage. It's much harder to get ranged damage than ranged to-hit so it's an easy trade there. If I need DEX for a stat requirement (currently I don't have Thor's), there are enough other ways to get the DEX.


I'm with both of you. Got two sets of kilts thus far thinking I might have to save one, but am leaning heavily now toward transmuting for two eldritch kilts. Yeah, dex is the only one that hurts a little.
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FINAL Ultra Rare Images 11 months 2 weeks ago #42

Jeff, thanks for the changes on the Hat and Kilt.

Is anyone else tempted to outfit a party with 9 or 10 Fate Crossbows and see if you can slide a 20 out of the group every turn to make sure the monster never gets a single attack? :)
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FINAL Ultra Rare Images 11 months 2 weeks ago #43

The UR Lute of Fury provides +1 damage relative to uncommon Lyre of Rage, and +1 to hit from common Pixie Lyre.

I think the UR version only could go +1/+2 - basically trading +1 to hit for the abilities of Widseth's/Briano's/Amorgen's.

I'd leave the transmuted versions alone.
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FINAL Ultra Rare Images 11 months 2 weeks ago #44

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Mike Steele wrote: Jeff, thanks for the changes on the Hat and Kilt.

Is anyone else tempted to outfit a party with 9 or 10 Fate Crossbows and see if you can slide a 20 out of the group every turn to make sure the monster never gets a single attack? :)


Nah, there will just be a stun immune monster (or more) every dungeon.
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Jeff321 wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Jeff321 wrote: Those negatives on the Kilt, wow! :lol:

+15 HP swing going from UR to Eldritch. Lose 1 melee to-hit, but damage is a wash if you include the set bonus. Even the min-maxer in me is not going to take all those negatives for just +1 to-hit.

In fact I doubt I would keep any of the UR Kilts. I had been collecting an extra set just in case I wanted to max one stat, but it's probably not worth it. So now I'm thinking I will just transmute both sets into 2 Eldritch Kilts. In that regard, I guess the Kilts are a success.


Yeah, i know. After all the debating i was worried that i might be tempted to not transmute all my kilts (i will have 4 sets), but the negatives on the STR kilt are crazy bad. The CON kilt isnt worth keeping since you can still get 15hp. Only the DEX is a question, but giving up 2 DEX for 10hp? Done. In fact, can i do that again? And again? And...uh, how much DEX do i have?


I'm with you, the DEX one is the only question. If I want DEX for a ranged build (I have a ranged ranger build with Io's bow), I'd rather just have the Eldritch Kilt because the set bonus would give +1 ranged damage. It's much harder to get ranged damage than ranged to-hit so it's an easy trade there. If I need DEX for a stat requirement (currently I don't have Thor's), there are enough other ways to get the DEX.


I dont know that I'm convinced it's worth spending the money to upgrade from the con kilt. Seriously maybe I'm just not seeing whatever it is you guys are. I mean I'd probably do it at 4/6/6 because those numbers would feel like an upgrade but as is it's just kinda meh. Maybe if it had the picture from the str kilt, I dont know. I'm trying to get on board with being excited about it.
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FINAL Ultra Rare Images 11 months 2 weeks ago #46

Picc wrote:

Jeff321 wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Jeff321 wrote: Those negatives on the Kilt, wow! :lol:

+15 HP swing going from UR to Eldritch. Lose 1 melee to-hit, but damage is a wash if you include the set bonus. Even the min-maxer in me is not going to take all those negatives for just +1 to-hit.

In fact I doubt I would keep any of the UR Kilts. I had been collecting an extra set just in case I wanted to max one stat, but it's probably not worth it. So now I'm thinking I will just transmute both sets into 2 Eldritch Kilts. In that regard, I guess the Kilts are a success.


Yeah, i know. After all the debating i was worried that i might be tempted to not transmute all my kilts (i will have 4 sets), but the negatives on the STR kilt are crazy bad. The CON kilt isnt worth keeping since you can still get 15hp. Only the DEX is a question, but giving up 2 DEX for 10hp? Done. In fact, can i do that again? And again? And...uh, how much DEX do i have?


I'm with you, the DEX one is the only question. If I want DEX for a ranged build (I have a ranged ranger build with Io's bow), I'd rather just have the Eldritch Kilt because the set bonus would give +1 ranged damage. It's much harder to get ranged damage than ranged to-hit so it's an easy trade there. If I need DEX for a stat requirement (currently I don't have Thor's), there are enough other ways to get the DEX.


I dont know that I'm convinced it's worth spending the money to upgrade from the con kilt. Seriously maybe I'm just not seeing whatever it is you guys are. I mean I'd probably do it at 4/6/6 because those numbers would feel like an upgrade but as is it's just kinda meh. Maybe if it had the picture from the str kilt, I dont know. I'm trying to get on board with being excited about it.


If nothing else, kilt and teeth will get you +1 level, which frees up some kind of slot.
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Picc wrote:

Jeff321 wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Jeff321 wrote: Those negatives on the Kilt, wow! :lol:

+15 HP swing going from UR to Eldritch. Lose 1 melee to-hit, but damage is a wash if you include the set bonus. Even the min-maxer in me is not going to take all those negatives for just +1 to-hit.

In fact I doubt I would keep any of the UR Kilts. I had been collecting an extra set just in case I wanted to max one stat, but it's probably not worth it. So now I'm thinking I will just transmute both sets into 2 Eldritch Kilts. In that regard, I guess the Kilts are a success.


Yeah, i know. After all the debating i was worried that i might be tempted to not transmute all my kilts (i will have 4 sets), but the negatives on the STR kilt are crazy bad. The CON kilt isnt worth keeping since you can still get 15hp. Only the DEX is a question, but giving up 2 DEX for 10hp? Done. In fact, can i do that again? And again? And...uh, how much DEX do i have?


I'm with you, the DEX one is the only question. If I want DEX for a ranged build (I have a ranged ranger build with Io's bow), I'd rather just have the Eldritch Kilt because the set bonus would give +1 ranged damage. It's much harder to get ranged damage than ranged to-hit so it's an easy trade there. If I need DEX for a stat requirement (currently I don't have Thor's), there are enough other ways to get the DEX.


I dont know that I'm convinced it's worth spending the money to upgrade from the con kilt. Seriously maybe I'm just not seeing whatever it is you guys are. I mean I'd probably do it at 4/6/6 because those numbers would feel like an upgrade but as is it's just kinda meh. Maybe if it had the picture from the str kilt, I dont know. I'm trying to get on board with being excited about it.


If you switch from the CON kilt to the Eld Kilt, you get -1 FORT, and +2 AC, REF, and ranged to HIT. Also better for any DEX required tokens.
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FINAL Ultra Rare Images 11 months 2 weeks ago #48

I think the +6 would be equal or "less good" than the RoSP. I mean those stats equal +6 are not the best allocated and it is a seven year transmute.
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