TOPIC: 2019 Transmuted Token Images !!

kurtreznor wrote:

JACKOFTRADZE wrote:

Starkhound (Edwin) wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Xavon wrote: I'd rather have the +5 Kilt back.

Which Exalted does the Rare Bead transmute into, is it the Lucky Traveler?

I'd rather have the +5 Kilt back as well, it seems to be going backwards to me.

Agreed. I'd rather take +1 on the modifier than +5 to HP.

Dungeonbane Kilt. I differ here, I really like the revised Kilt. You get an extra 5HP no matter what and you get a clean +4 stat of choice with a faster path to an Eldritch bonus to ditch the RoH. That is a really nice triple play if you ask me. At the end of the Day the Boots of Four Winds is +5 Damage for a Four Year. This seems on point.

Sneaky Necklace While I would have liked the Guide Strike Powers back in there, this time I honestly like the reversions. Now it feels Legendary. I'm in! Last suggestion, how about rename it Raven's Stealthy Necklace. That sounds more deadly. Sneaky sounds silly.

Bead of the Lucky Traveler. While I would have liked the +3 it's great to get Free Movement back and saves in an uncontested slot. Curious if this recipe will require completion and bits tokens.

Charm of Treasure Finding. Not that I am making this but why power it down to only one treasure? Prior rares gave you that. Keep it at +2 to make it worth the trouble to transmute and get new players hooked.

the charm isn't a power down, it now stacks with a treasure enhancer...it will have to be clarified that the rare treasure enhancers don't negate the use of this (since they say they cant stack). if that clarification is too messy, this charm could be worded that it adds +1 to any single treasure enhancer...meaning that this charm isn't technically a treasure enhancer, it is a treasure enhancer enhancer and as to not working with the CoA; well, the CoA doesn't actually have a treasure bonus to enhance, it only counts as 3 other tokens that do give treasure = no longer a single token to enhance.

That is a good point, most people will assume that it can't stack with a token that specifically says it doesn't stack with any other treasure enhancer.

Maybe the Rare TE token this year should say "only stacks with the Charm of Treasure Finding"?

Matthew Hayward wrote: I like the Kilt, I'm glad this is where we landed (with the exception of some sympathy for Clerics like Brad whose cheese keeps getting moved).


I'd prefer +3 on the Bead, but will transmute similar numbers either way. I just feel +2 is likely to get knocked out of that slot sooner rather than later (unless there are bead slot expanders coming down the line).

Bead art still A+

That would be my concern about transmuting multiples at just +2 Saves as well, that it will be made obsolete pretty quickly.

Grekel! wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Grekel! wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: I like the Kilt, I'm glad this is where we landed (with the exception of some sympathy for Clerics like Brad whose cheese keeps getting moved).


I'd prefer +3 on the Bead, but will transmute similar numbers either way. I just feel +2 is likely to get knocked out of that slot sooner rather than later (unless there are bead slot expanders coming down the line).

Bead art still A+

Tend to agree about the bead... just wondering if +3 would knock free movement off...?

I'd prefer +2 and Free movement to +3 alone.

Yes - I think so too. Although +3 and FoM does not seem to me to be out of keeping with a 4 year transmute... the value of the extra point could be addressed directly in the recipe maybe...?

The recipe is likely to just be one of each monster ingredient token from the four years. I think that's what every other story arc token recipe has been.

Mike Steele wrote:

Grekel! wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Grekel! wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: I like the Kilt, I'm glad this is where we landed (with the exception of some sympathy for Clerics like Brad whose cheese keeps getting moved).


I'd prefer +3 on the Bead, but will transmute similar numbers either way. I just feel +2 is likely to get knocked out of that slot sooner rather than later (unless there are bead slot expanders coming down the line).

Bead art still A+

Tend to agree about the bead... just wondering if +3 would knock free movement off...?

I'd prefer +2 and Free movement to +3 alone.

Yes - I think so too. Although +3 and FoM does not seem to me to be out of keeping with a 4 year transmute... the value of the extra point could be addressed directly in the recipe maybe...?

The recipe is likely to just be one of each monster ingredient token from the four years. I think that's what every other story arc token recipe has been.

I guess that’s true. And since precedent is there - unlikely that will change... so really it is downto whether TPTB would agree that +3 saves AND FoM is in keeping with this level of transmute.... looking at URs Dougal’s is straight +3 saves - Cloak of the Mage is +2 saves and +AC but wiz only... Destiny cloak is straight +3 to saves...

I couldn’t find any Tokens that are +3 saves AND something else... at UR and below...

Greater Cloak of Destiny is +4 saves...

That is not to say I’m not still hoping for +3 AND free movement...

But I thought I’d dig a bit first...

You know - for giggles....

For me the bead debate just comes down to how soon before it will be obsolete. Sure, I'll want one for now, but at +2 Saves it might not be long before a better alternative comes along. At +3 it becomes a viable alternative for many years and if we get a means to wear more than one bead, then it might be considered equal to Icecrag's in terms of longevity.

I like the current version of the kilt, just not sure I love it. So maybe that means its reached a fair compromise. I do think the strength on barrelbane should be lowered, but whatever.

As someone who kits 12 classes at the rare+ level (very few URs/relics except RoH), the bead is much better at +3 no Free Movement since I already run Boots of the Marauder. Ideally it would be both +3 and Free Movement at relic level.

Grekel! wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Grekel! wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Grekel! wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: I like the Kilt, I'm glad this is where we landed (with the exception of some sympathy for Clerics like Brad whose cheese keeps getting moved).


I'd prefer +3 on the Bead, but will transmute similar numbers either way. I just feel +2 is likely to get knocked out of that slot sooner rather than later (unless there are bead slot expanders coming down the line).

Bead art still A+

Tend to agree about the bead... just wondering if +3 would knock free movement off...?

I'd prefer +2 and Free movement to +3 alone.

Yes - I think so too. Although +3 and FoM does not seem to me to be out of keeping with a 4 year transmute... the value of the extra point could be addressed directly in the recipe maybe...?

The recipe is likely to just be one of each monster ingredient token from the four years. I think that's what every other story arc token recipe has been.

I guess that’s true. And since precedent is there - unlikely that will change... so really it is downto whether TPTB would agree that +3 saves AND FoM is in keeping with this level of transmute.... looking at URs Dougal’s is straight +3 saves - Cloak of the Mage is +2 saves and +AC but wiz only... Destiny cloak is straight +3 to saves...

I couldn’t find any Tokens that are +3 saves AND something else... at UR and below...

Greater Cloak of Destiny is +4 saves...

That is not to say I’m not still hoping for +3 AND free movement...

But I thought I’d dig a bit first...

You know - for giggles....

But - this isn't UR or below, this will be a Relic. And at the Relic level, it seems like +3 Saves and Free Movement is pretty equivalent with +4 Saves.

Matt wrote: Rather the +5 kilt back myself but the extra HP doesn't feel too bad,

+2 saves for a 4 year combo is still meh, here is hoping it can be transmuted or after Origins at least.

Do like the change on charm of treasure finding, feels better when you upgrade from rare to UR to have the transmute not become useless/unusable.

+5 kilt was way better, the +5 HP takes care of the tavernbane crowd but does nothing for the people needing 6 dex for the hammer.

I liked the travelers bead better at +3 saves

I like the new TE

I still hope the whetstone is strong but if the cost is right may still be ok. Also as a option I could be used as a off hand slot, that would nerf it some.

Jeff, I strongly disagree the current form of the kilt is the right call. Please consider Matt's proposed 4/6/6 choose one solution from the previous thread.

Re the rogue legendary, please consider renaming it Nightshade's. Even Raven said she would prefer it.

JesterSB wrote: As someone who kits 12 classes at the rare+ level (very few URs/relics except RoH), the bead is much better at +3 no Free Movement since I already run Boots of the Marauder. Ideally it would be both +3 and Free Movement at relic level.

Completely agree (my group is kitted similar). The bead should be +3 and FM at a four year transmute.

Picc wrote: Jeff, I strongly disagree the current form of the kilt is the right call. Please consider Matt's proposed 4/6/6 choose one solution from the previous thread.

Re the rogue legendary, please consider renaming it Nightshade's. Even Raven said she would prefer it.

Agreed, 4/6/6 or 5/6/6 are my preferred solutions. There is plenty of precedent that those numbers aren't overpowered (Relic Girdle for ST, Relic Robe for Dex, Charm of Synergy for CON). Actually, you're already at the equivalent of +6 CON, because +6 Con is equal to +4 Con and +5 HP for 5th Level.

Kilt: fine but I preferred +5 to one. But I’d use this too.

Kilt: compare to all other Eldritch art, this is the only one that’s not rainbow.

Treasure Finding: is this supposed to work with the rare treasure enhancers, or just UR ones? Either way text can be clarified.

+1 treasure draws; may equip one UR treasure enhancer and no others

Or

+1 treasure draws; allows only 1 other treasure enhancer, no CoA