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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 5 years 7 months ago #97

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Wayne Rhodes wrote: I still have my concerns about the power level of the whetstone. I still think it may obsolete a bunch of UR weapons. I just think TD should think long and hard before making it. If it applies to all weapons it would be a better token for everyone and URs would be still as much better than rares as they currently are.


I feel this can be balanced through cost of the recipe. If the recipe is accost close to a UR’s value cost then i feel there should not be any issues. It is great to see a rare level build can close the break into the ultra rare build tier.

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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 5 years 7 months ago #98

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Picc wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Starkhound (Edwin) wrote:

Joshua Long wrote:

Boilerplate wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Bob Chasan wrote: I think going backwards on lucky token misses the mark. There are quite a few rare tokens which offer +2 to saves.
It’s cool looking but not sure it’s going to be worth transmuting all the ingredients.


Agree. For other data points, there are URs that give +2 saves plus a significant bonus, a UR that gives +3 to saves, and a Relic that does +4 to saves. +3 to saves and free action is probably about right at the Relic level.


+1

For a five star relic requiring 4 years of bits, I’d like to see it a notch better than the +2 save tokens at lower rarities. +3 seemed right to me.


+1


+1 more seems logical


I'll say I was super excited about it at +3.

At +2 I'm like... eeh - I'll still make it and use it. But something about that extra +1...

It is a relic - albeit in a new slot.

If it's too good for the bead slot maybe make it an Ioun?

Saves and free movement are both Ioun effects, and a +3 to saves & free movement seems just about right for an Ioun given UR Ioun Stone Topaz Trilliant is a UR.


No. Just No. I'd rather leave as is than move it to IS.


Agreed, the iounstone slot is already very crowded and only getting more so with the nugget series. The only way I could see the story line relic moving there would be if it also say granted psychic so as to replace a commonly equipped stone.

Actually now that I say it I'm surprised that the relic for the storyline were chased a mindslayer stealing psychic teeth doesn't grant psychic or at least have more of a tenticle theme to the image. The icecrags cold resist & dracolich claw were both way more on theme.

Maybe we could add enables psychic since that power isn't actually that big without the teeth to power it anyway.


You both seem to be betting that your 5th (or 7th) best ioun will be better than your best bead over the long term in thinking of where to slot this.

That’s not a bet I would take.

This token seems to me more likely to stay relevant and/or not hinder future design in the ioun slot.


7th in my case. I'm fine with that bet. I have to make room for two more nuggets. You are telling me that +2 saves is going to bump out +2 Treasure? You first on that one.
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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 5 years 7 months ago #99

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Picc wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Starkhound (Edwin) wrote:

Joshua Long wrote:

Boilerplate wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Bob Chasan wrote: I think going backwards on lucky token misses the mark. There are quite a few rare tokens which offer +2 to saves.
It’s cool looking but not sure it’s going to be worth transmuting all the ingredients.


Agree. For other data points, there are URs that give +2 saves plus a significant bonus, a UR that gives +3 to saves, and a Relic that does +4 to saves. +3 to saves and free action is probably about right at the Relic level.


+1

For a five star relic requiring 4 years of bits, I’d like to see it a notch better than the +2 save tokens at lower rarities. +3 seemed right to me.


+1


+1 more seems logical


I'll say I was super excited about it at +3.

At +2 I'm like... eeh - I'll still make it and use it. But something about that extra +1...

It is a relic - albeit in a new slot.

If it's too good for the bead slot maybe make it an Ioun?

Saves and free movement are both Ioun effects, and a +3 to saves & free movement seems just about right for an Ioun given UR Ioun Stone Topaz Trilliant is a UR.


No. Just No. I'd rather leave as is than move it to IS.


Agreed, the iounstone slot is already very crowded and only getting more so with the nugget series. The only way I could see the story line relic moving there would be if it also say granted psychic so as to replace a commonly equipped stone.

Actually now that I say it I'm surprised that the relic for the storyline were chased a mindslayer stealing psychic teeth doesn't grant psychic or at least have more of a tenticle theme to the image. The icecrags cold resist & dracolich claw were both way more on theme.

Maybe we could add enables psychic since that power isn't actually that big without the teeth to power it anyway.


You both seem to be betting that your 5th (or 7th) best ioun will be better than your best bead over the long term in thinking of where to slot this.

That’s not a bet I would take.

This token seems to me more likely to stay relevant and/or not hinder future design in the ioun slot.


7th in my case. I'm fine with that bet. I have to make room for two more nuggets. You are telling me that +2 saves is going to bump out +2 Treasure? You first on that one.


Seven Stones? How about:

Three nuggets (come 2021)
Four UR Vol IS (one of which is +2 saves)
Lots of utility options (Charming, Rare Vol Stones...)

A +2-save IS is arguably already irrelevant for many builds, or is promised to be within two years.

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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 5 years 7 months ago #100

Wayne Rhodes wrote: I would like to see the bead back to a +3 save, maybe drop the free action if it was too strong otherwise and add something like -2 fire damage
I’m not sure I want free action being so common that it gets built around in the modules or is just never a issue because everyone has it already.

I still would like the kilt to be a +6 but it’s much closer at +5. At +4 I would have used fatherbane and tavernbane a lot depending on build. At +5 I might always use the it over the old kilts, but I would still be disappointed in it unless there was something else attached to it as a ability.

I still have my concerns about the power level of the whetstone. I still think it may obsolete a bunch of UR weapons. I just think TD should think long and hard before making it. If it applies to all weapons it would be a better token for everyone and URs would be still as much better than rares as they currently are.

I like the new TE Charm

I over all like the tokens, I just don’t post much about stuff unless I think its a design problem of some sort or see a change I think should happen.


I'd like to see +6 or +7 myself as well, so that it's clearly better than the component Kilts. Or leave it at +4 but let you pick two instead of just one. I don't think it's a stretch at all for it to have bonuses equal to a neck UR. Even though the neck slot is more powerful, that is a single UR and this is a 3 UR plus Trade Items Transmute.

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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 5 years 7 months ago #101

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After much deliberation I think anything less then +6 on the kilt is going to feel like a downgrade to most people. I know logically it isn't, +5 no downside is better then +6 with one, but it doesn't feel that way and I think in this case the feeling is whats more important.

I'm even fine with waiting another year if we have to, as it is though most of my group is saying they'd rather keep their component kilts.
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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 5 years 7 months ago #102

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Picc wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Starkhound (Edwin) wrote:

Joshua Long wrote:

Boilerplate wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Bob Chasan wrote: I think going backwards on lucky token misses the mark. There are quite a few rare tokens which offer +2 to saves.
It’s cool looking but not sure it’s going to be worth transmuting all the ingredients.


Agree. For other data points, there are URs that give +2 saves plus a significant bonus, a UR that gives +3 to saves, and a Relic that does +4 to saves. +3 to saves and free action is probably about right at the Relic level.


+1

For a five star relic requiring 4 years of bits, I’d like to see it a notch better than the +2 save tokens at lower rarities. +3 seemed right to me.


+1


+1 more seems logical


I'll say I was super excited about it at +3.

At +2 I'm like... eeh - I'll still make it and use it. But something about that extra +1...

It is a relic - albeit in a new slot.

If it's too good for the bead slot maybe make it an Ioun?

Saves and free movement are both Ioun effects, and a +3 to saves & free movement seems just about right for an Ioun given UR Ioun Stone Topaz Trilliant is a UR.


No. Just No. I'd rather leave as is than move it to IS.


Agreed, the iounstone slot is already very crowded and only getting more so with the nugget series. The only way I could see the story line relic moving there would be if it also say granted psychic so as to replace a commonly equipped stone.

Actually now that I say it I'm surprised that the relic for the storyline were chased a mindslayer stealing psychic teeth doesn't grant psychic or at least have more of a tenticle theme to the image. The icecrags cold resist & dracolich claw were both way more on theme.

Maybe we could add enables psychic since that power isn't actually that big without the teeth to power it anyway.


You both seem to be betting that your 5th (or 7th) best ioun will be better than your best bead over the long term in thinking of where to slot this.

That’s not a bet I would take.

This token seems to me more likely to stay relevant and/or not hinder future design in the ioun slot.


7th in my case. I'm fine with that bet. I have to make room for two more nuggets. You are telling me that +2 saves is going to bump out +2 Treasure? You first on that one.



What 7 ions are you equipping that are better than +3 to saves and free action????

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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 5 years 7 months ago #103

It isn't just a +5 though. It is +5 and an Eldritch item. So it is half a level bump, +4 healing and +1 damage.

It is 1/3 of a level bump, +6 healing, and +2 damage.
It is 1/4 a level bump, +8 healing and +3 damage.
It is 1/5 a level bump, +10 healing, and +4 damage.

Just saying.
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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 5 years 7 months ago #104

I can support +5 in one stat on the Kilt - +6 is just too much for a Pants slot.

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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 5 years 7 months ago #105

jedibcg wrote: It isn't just a +5 though. It is +5 and an Eldritch item. So it is half a level bump, +4 healing and +1 damage.

It is 1/3 of a level bump, +6 healing, and +2 damage.
It is 1/4 a level bump, +8 healing and +3 damage.
It is 1/5 a level bump, +10 healing, and +4 damage.

Just saying.


agree with this one. I think 5 is just fine.
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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 5 years 7 months ago #106

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Picc wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Starkhound (Edwin) wrote:

Joshua Long wrote:

Boilerplate wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Bob Chasan wrote: I think going backwards on lucky token misses the mark. There are quite a few rare tokens which offer +2 to saves.
It’s cool looking but not sure it’s going to be worth transmuting all the ingredients.


Agree. For other data points, there are URs that give +2 saves plus a significant bonus, a UR that gives +3 to saves, and a Relic that does +4 to saves. +3 to saves and free action is probably about right at the Relic level.


+1

For a five star relic requiring 4 years of bits, I’d like to see it a notch better than the +2 save tokens at lower rarities. +3 seemed right to me.


+1


+1 more seems logical


I'll say I was super excited about it at +3.

At +2 I'm like... eeh - I'll still make it and use it. But something about that extra +1...

It is a relic - albeit in a new slot.

If it's too good for the bead slot maybe make it an Ioun?

Saves and free movement are both Ioun effects, and a +3 to saves & free movement seems just about right for an Ioun given UR Ioun Stone Topaz Trilliant is a UR.


No. Just No. I'd rather leave as is than move it to IS.


Agreed, the iounstone slot is already very crowded and only getting more so with the nugget series. The only way I could see the story line relic moving there would be if it also say granted psychic so as to replace a commonly equipped stone.

Actually now that I say it I'm surprised that the relic for the storyline were chased a mindslayer stealing psychic teeth doesn't grant psychic or at least have more of a tenticle theme to the image. The icecrags cold resist & dracolich claw were both way more on theme.

Maybe we could add enables psychic since that power isn't actually that big without the teeth to power it anyway.


You both seem to be betting that your 5th (or 7th) best ioun will be better than your best bead over the long term in thinking of where to slot this.

That’s not a bet I would take.

This token seems to me more likely to stay relevant and/or not hinder future design in the ioun slot.


7th in my case. I'm fine with that bet. I have to make room for two more nuggets. You are telling me that +2 saves is going to bump out +2 Treasure? You first on that one.



What 7 ions are you equipping that are better than +3 to saves and free action????


The current Bead is only +2

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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 5 years 7 months ago #107

I have +2 right now from a volunteer IS.

But since you ask

IS Amethyst Ovid
IS Tanzanite Cube
IS Charming Cabachon (with 5 charms equipped)
IS Onyx Cube
IS quicksilver Cube
IS Garnet Cube
IS Silver Nugget


One of those will have to go to make room for this years Nugget. Probably the Tanzanite Cube. Eventually Amerhyst Ovid be replaced by the final Nugget once we have put paid to the Mind Slayer.
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Let them trap us. We have our swords. - Elric of Melnibone.

You try to get them to play the game, but all they want to do is play the rules. - Ardak Kumerian

I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend - Faramir

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2019 Transmuted Token Images! 5 years 7 months ago #108

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Picc wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Starkhound (Edwin) wrote:

Joshua Long wrote:

Boilerplate wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Bob Chasan wrote: I think going backwards on lucky token misses the mark. There are quite a few rare tokens which offer +2 to saves.
It’s cool looking but not sure it’s going to be worth transmuting all the ingredients.


Agree. For other data points, there are URs that give +2 saves plus a significant bonus, a UR that gives +3 to saves, and a Relic that does +4 to saves. +3 to saves and free action is probably about right at the Relic level.


+1

For a five star relic requiring 4 years of bits, I’d like to see it a notch better than the +2 save tokens at lower rarities. +3 seemed right to me.


+1


+1 more seems logical


I'll say I was super excited about it at +3.

At +2 I'm like... eeh - I'll still make it and use it. But something about that extra +1...

It is a relic - albeit in a new slot.

If it's too good for the bead slot maybe make it an Ioun?

Saves and free movement are both Ioun effects, and a +3 to saves & free movement seems just about right for an Ioun given UR Ioun Stone Topaz Trilliant is a UR.


No. Just No. I'd rather leave as is than move it to IS.


Agreed, the iounstone slot is already very crowded and only getting more so with the nugget series. The only way I could see the story line relic moving there would be if it also say granted psychic so as to replace a commonly equipped stone.

Actually now that I say it I'm surprised that the relic for the storyline were chased a mindslayer stealing psychic teeth doesn't grant psychic or at least have more of a tenticle theme to the image. The icecrags cold resist & dracolich claw were both way more on theme.

Maybe we could add enables psychic since that power isn't actually that big without the teeth to power it anyway.


You both seem to be betting that your 5th (or 7th) best ioun will be better than your best bead over the long term in thinking of where to slot this.

That’s not a bet I would take.

This token seems to me more likely to stay relevant and/or not hinder future design in the ioun slot.


7th in my case. I'm fine with that bet. I have to make room for two more nuggets. You are telling me that +2 saves is going to bump out +2 Treasure? You first on that one.



What 7 ions are you equipping that are better than +3 to saves and free action????


The current Bead is only +2


Agreed - the proposal was to move it to ioun and back to +3 and free movement.

As it’s a relic, and there are already UR Iouns with +2 to saves and another bonus, and both saves and free movement are well established ioun abilities.


That bein said, what 7 Iouns are you equipping that are better than +2 to saves and free action????

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