TOPIC: 2019 Transmuted Token Images!

Brad Mortensen wrote: -1 is -1, regardless of whatever other tokens you have. I can’t add something I’m already wearing.

The 5HP “compromise” may make you whole, but does nothing I care about. If the plan is to fix this by making me go to +4 DEX +5 HP then please, just leave it broken at +5 DEX.

Brad, I totally agree with you. I was NEVER suggesting go back to +4

Wade Schwendemann wrote: I would not agree that SRoEC is BIS for most classes. Many were using it to get to 5th. With the changes to the Eldritch Set, I suspect there will be far fewer SRoEC used.

As a wizard type, I would much rather have Relsa's Ring, Greater Ring of Focus, and Ring of Spell Storing.
Melee types might choose Ring of the Eel and Ring of Frost.

Ring of Eel and Ring of Frost though Don't compare when you have enough Eldritch pieces, so even if some folks drop the ring, it will come back to get 5 piece bonus if their other option is Ring of Eel.

Wade Schwendemann wrote: I would not agree that SRoEC is BIS for most classes. Many were using it to get to 5th. With the changes to the Eldritch Set, I suspect there will be far fewer SRoEC used.

As a wizard type, I would much rather have Relsa's Ring, Greater Ring of Focus, and Ring of Spell Storing.
Melee types might choose Ring of the Eel and Ring of Frost.

C'mon Wade,
I said most folks. I get for a Wizard build Relsa's Ring, Greater Ring of Focus but (and I have a Ring of Spell Storing because I don't have a Greater Ring of Focus) but if anyone wants to trade their SRoEC for a Ring of Spell Storing I would happily do that ALLLLLL day long. Ring of Spell Storing is good but I almost never run out of spells. I don't do Grind so maybe in that situation I would feel differently and as I think about it, I would definitely want the extra spell.

As far as Melee types, I get the Min/Max'ers but a dwarf fighter taunting or a paladin guarding have the same effect with the added bonus of damage reduction. Again anyone wanting to trade their their SRoEC for a Ring of the Eel/Frost I would happily do that ALLLLLL day long.

I respect your position, I just think differently.

jedibcg wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: I would not agree that SRoEC is BIS for most classes. Many were using it to get to 5th. With the changes to the Eldritch Set, I suspect there will be far fewer SRoEC used.

As a wizard type, I would much rather have Relsa's Ring, Greater Ring of Focus, and Ring of Spell Storing.
Melee types might choose Ring of the Eel and Ring of Frost.

Ring of Eel and Ring of Frost though Don't compare when you have enough Eldritch pieces, so even if some folks drop the ring, it will come back to get 5 piece bonus if their other option is Ring of Eel.

Well, with the new eldritch set, you are correct.

I was thinking under the old rules I guess.

+1 damage on each hit might draw in a Monk or Ranger though. (meaning frost over eldritch)

Kenban wrote: I think the kilt should be +6 since the components are +6. If that is too powerful for the price instead of nerfing the kilt, make the recipe more expensive. If people feel like 3 Ultra Rare tokens is not enough, maybe require a 4th Ultra Rare. The recipe could require any UR pants, or even just a 4th Ultra Rare, your choice you can use anything.

It feels like at the very least the combined item should be equal to the sum of its parts, if those parts are +6, the result should be at least +6.

Would it be ok then to have a +20 str belt if the recipe was expensive enough? The problem with OP tokens is they will eventually ruin the game. Slow and steady is a better course.

Ed

Bob Chasan wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: I would not agree that SRoEC is BIS for most classes. Many were using it to get to 5th. With the changes to the Eldritch Set, I suspect there will be far fewer SRoEC used.

As a wizard type, I would much rather have Relsa's Ring, Greater Ring of Focus, and Ring of Spell Storing.
Melee types might choose Ring of the Eel and Ring of Frost.

C'mon Wade,
I said most folks. I get for a Wizard build Relsa's Ring, Greater Ring of Focus but (and I have a Ring of Spell Storing because I don't have a Greater Ring of Focus) but if anyone wants to trade their SRoEC for a Ring of Spell Storing I would happily do that ALLLLLL day long. Ring of Spell Storing is good but I almost never run out of spells. I don't do Grind so maybe in that situation I would feel differently and as I think about it, I would definitely want the extra spell.

As far as Melee types, I get the Min/Max'ers but a dwarf fighter taunting or a paladin guarding have the same effect with the added bonus of damage reduction. Again anyone wanting to trade their their SRoEC for a Ring of the Eel/Frost I would happily do that ALLLLLL day long.

I respect your position, I just think differently.

Fair enough. Most was subjective, but I agree with you. Also, with damage from the new eldritch rules, I completely understand.

I was not suggesting value would be the same of course. I too would offer Rings of Spell Storing or Ring of the Eel for SRoEC.

Any chance we could add a transmuted version of Ring of the Yeti?
I feel ranged damage can still use a boost to make it competitive with melee.

I’m going to vote the Bead stays as a bead an not change to a Ioun Stone

As for the kilt let me explain my point hopefully better than I have been.

It’s not about being averaged out numbers better it’s about the fact it’s typically better to focus on making a area better IMO

So if my focus is on hitting at range with the hammer then I am better with kilt of fatherbane since I’m getting the improved range to hit. It’s less about hit points or damage at that moment. I have since getting the hammer picked up lenses of the fey for the same reason. So basically I’m not worried about hit points or strength in a dex build.

If I’m playing a low hit point class I’m more worried about my Hit points then I may go kilt of tavernbane especially if my dex is already bad. I would just assume have the -4 dex on that builds and say save me paladin.

If I was playing barbarian I might just use the new +6 strength kilt because it’s overall a melee based character.

I would say most of the time focus is better than having your stats all be just OK

MasterED wrote:

Kenban wrote: I think the kilt should be +6 since the components are +6. If that is too powerful for the price instead of nerfing the kilt, make the recipe more expensive. If people feel like 3 Ultra Rare tokens is not enough, maybe require a 4th Ultra Rare. The recipe could require any UR pants, or even just a 4th Ultra Rare, your choice you can use anything.

It feels like at the very least the combined item should be equal to the sum of its parts, if those parts are +6, the result should be at least +6.

Would it be ok then to have a +20 str belt if the recipe was expensive enough? The problem with OP tokens is they will eventually ruin the game. Slow and steady is a better course.

Ed

+1 to this. Slow and steady is better.

I thought the Kilt was perfect at +4, but I can live with +5. +4 and 5hp isn't too bad either. +6 is crazy too powerful. Remember this is part of the Eldritch Set too. If you really want +6 then I'd love to see some people still running with the UR Kilts.

I vote that the bead stays a bead.

I'm ok with the kilt being +5, but I'll still keep/use the individual kilts. I could totally get on board with +4 or +5 if +5 hp were added.

I usually run wizard, elf wizard actually, and RoSEC was a must for 5th level. That has now changed. It is not BiS, but of course I wouldn't trade or give it up either.

Best ring for a wizard after Relsa's is RoSS by a good margin. RoGF a distant third. So if you want to use it, you should have a Hand of Glory, but Blessed Tempest Gloves then give you the same benefit, but cheaper.

Kirk Bauer wrote: I thought the Kilt was perfect at +4, but I can live with +5. +4 and 5hp isn't too bad either. +6 is crazy too powerful. Remember this is part of the Eldritch Set too. If you really want +6 then I'd love to see some people still running with the UR Kilts.

So that's exactly it Kirk:
at +4 I probably wouldn't even have bothered transmuting even just to have one in my collection. I would definitely kept my Tavernbane. At +5 I now have to find something to make up those extra 5 hit points but I might transmute. So, +5 with +5HP, I'm OK. I really don't think it's in the spirit of Eldritch to leave someone OK. We then get into can the bonus of other Eldritch items make me feel better about my kilt? Do I need other tokens to make me feel better?