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2019 Ultra Rare Token Images! 5 years 6 months ago #37

MetaphoricDragon wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: 1. Thanks for putting another drawback on the Ring of Jealous Heroism - that makes it feel better to me and gives people a real reason to upgrade to RoH.

2. Interesting AC change instead of Elemental resistance on Earcuff of the Phalanx.

3. Charm of Quick Strike seems more likely to see play here than at neck, nice maneuver.


I just noticed the Ring. I agree- it's more properly balanced for an UR this way.


On one hand might be more balanced to past URs, but on the other isn't Medallion of Heroism basically an unwanted UR in the secondary market?


I don't run a shop, so I'm unsure of supply or demand for the medallion. There have been players on the forums who report using / buying one, though.

I think it boils down to priorities. This is the quickest way to get +1 level. You can order a $250 PYP and pick this up and probably put together a solid build for any class.

I think the Jealous Ring eating your hand slot is better than the Medallion eating the neck slot.
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2019 Ultra Rare Token Images! 5 years 6 months ago #38

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Arnold wrote: I think the Jealous Ring eating your hand slot is better than the Medallion eating the neck slot.


^^ What he said.
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2019 Ultra Rare Token Images! 5 years 6 months ago #39

Fixed Fate - I couldn't find the definition of magical weapons. Is this a magical weapon? It would be odd if it wasn't. While I like the concept, it opens up a variety of questions to me. Why is the damage wheel the way it is? Why not have it have more 6s on the wheel for Assassins? What defines FF - always hitting on 15-20? Hitting on 15-20 and extra damage?

Gregor's Tome - I was questionable on the original idea, but a slotless +2 focus just seems incredibly required by anyone who gets URs beyond TEs and level ups and plays a Focus relevant class. Most _'s of Focus require eating up a slot that could be something else, though, I suppose there aren't exactly a ton of _'s of Focus printed. Powerful? Sure. But, interesting? Just seems to feed the problem of proliferating slotless items. More interesting if tome was actually a slot.

Not that proposing wildly different mechanics is constructive, but it occurred to me that a way to make skill checks on spells better is to not check off the spell. Not that suggesting INT increases is constructive, but the thematics seem like would fit as an INT increaser.

I still think there's other design space that could be used, but I think I prefer the original version.

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2019 Ultra Rare Token Images! 5 years 6 months ago #40

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Phrash wrote: 19-20 on Charm of the Quickstrike is too low of a chance. With it triggering 10% of the time, chances of running 6 combats (two dungeons) and having it not trigger once would be above 53% (.9^6).
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I feel the charm should be 18-20. Using phrash’s combat encounters then you might have this activate once... 90% chance using additive percentages.

I wouldn’t feel it would be a undesired charm since there are many to choose from in a limited 3 normal slot build.
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2019 Ultra Rare Token Images! 5 years 6 months ago #41

I love the change to Gregor’s Tome! At first glance I liked what it was originally but after considering it longer thought it took some element out of game... (unless was limited to a single auto_suceed after a failure)
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2019 Ultra Rare Token Images! 5 years 6 months ago #42

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Mike Steele wrote: Jeff, should the UR Shaman token also be a necklace? It seems a bit odd for a UR Belt to transmute to a Relic necklace. I'm OK either way, it seems like a really good option for the Druid.


The UR includes wizards, who probably probably dont want to give up neck.


I didn't notice that. It seems odd that the Druid class specific token includes Wizards. I'd prefer it didn't, even at the UR level, to help differentiate the Druid class.
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2019 Ultra Rare Token Images! 5 years 6 months ago #43

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Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Jeff, should the UR Shaman token also be a necklace? It seems a bit odd for a UR Belt to transmute to a Relic necklace. I'm OK either way, it seems like a really good option for the Druid.


The UR includes wizards, who probably probably dont want to give up neck.


I didn't notice that. It seems odd that the Druid class specific token includes Wizards. I'd prefer it didn't, even at the UR level, to help differentiate the Druid class.


Level 5 Elf Wizards have a benefit to polymorph, so they should retain the ability to at least use the UR version, especially given the MoMM nerf.
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2019 Ultra Rare Token Images! 5 years 6 months ago #44

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Grekel! wrote: Really like the Tome of Focus as-currently revised. Skill Checks should be something that is a challenge. And if there is a way to bypass or auto-pass - then that should be a separate slot from a damage boost. Besides there are already pearls for Wizard and Cleric to get two opportunities to get the challenge correct...

I don't know - just something about auto-succeeding seems - too easy....


+1

Taking the human element out of casting seems contrary to the spirit of the game. It would be like creating a token that allows non-casters to forego sliding. At least we make rogues take 10 hp damage to use the rod of persuasion and forego their hallmark skill test. I favor rewarding players who work to hone their crafts, so I have no problem with more practiced casters doing more spell damage the same way more practiced sliders do more physical damage.

And for those that are really afraid of passing a skill test, we already have in print tokens that allow re-tries and the FOP Raven that allows auto succeed 1x/game. (Not to mention the bard muse spell to allow a re-try.)


Disagree, when it comes to people using a token like this to avoid anxiety a doing over can be more stressful then the first attempt. I also dont feel like we can have an item that might be used to cast heal half the time do hp damage as a cost. IMO bypassing skill checks isn't for everyone but the people who would make use of it like it greatly and likely won't say anything on here.
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2019 Ultra Rare Token Images! 5 years 6 months ago #45

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Arnold wrote: I think the Jealous Ring eating your hand slot is better than the Medallion eating the neck slot.


^^ What he said.


Except the medallion had a Transmute path to the charm of Heroism. This is a dead end.
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2019 Ultra Rare Token Images! 5 years 6 months ago #46

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Harlax wrote:

Raven wrote:

Arnold wrote: I think the Jealous Ring eating your hand slot is better than the Medallion eating the neck slot.


^^ What he said.


Except the medallion had a Transmute path to the charm of Heroism. This is a dead end.


Maybe it could be another ring of heroism path. Buy the UR, collect X years 2019+ completion tokens, upgrade to a regular RoH.
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2019 Ultra Rare Token Images! 5 years 6 months ago #47

Harlax wrote:

Raven wrote:

Arnold wrote: I think the Jealous Ring eating your hand slot is better than the Medallion eating the neck slot.


^^ What he said.


Except the medallion had a Transmute path to the charm of Heroism. This is a dead end.


And it might be a fine dead end for many people. Or one that winds up being a hand-me-down like the Medallion.

I agree with those saying this is a little better than the Medallion, given that the Medallion can no longer be transmuted.

Tokens probably shouldn't be balanced on whether they are part of a recipe, as we generally don't know which ones are going into recipes until after balancing has been done (other than the primary token in a recipe). Or at least it shouldn't be given much weight.
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2019 Ultra Rare Token Images! 5 years 6 months ago #48

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Harlax wrote:

Raven wrote:

Arnold wrote: I think the Jealous Ring eating your hand slot is better than the Medallion eating the neck slot.


^^ What he said.


Except the medallion had a Transmute path to the charm of Heroism. This is a dead end.


Maybe it could be another ring of heroism path. Buy the UR, collect X years 2019+ completion tokens, upgrade to a regular RoH.


If we're making a +1 level transmute, I'd rather see a different slot than those that have come before.
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