TOPIC: True Grind Post-Mortem (2015 Who's Yer Con)

Raven wrote:

Kirk Bauer wrote: What if I had several copies of Widseth's Lute, could I equip a new one?

I think that falls under "Equipping multiple items of the same name" ... No, you would not be able to equip a new Widseth's Lute any more than a Rogue could equip a new Masterwork Tools if their first one fails.

The only reason I ask is that instruments are the "weapons" of a Bard. And since generally you can swap and replace lost weapons (as I did a lot in Grind last year) I figured perhaps you can replace lost instruments. I only had one with me though, but I had a few more at home I could have brought had I thought about it

I concur. What's limiting in the masterwork tool whozit is the rule that it's a once per dungeon.

Incognito wrote: And kurtreznor was a Ranger with enormous damage potential (+16 hit, +11 damage with his +2 Keen Slayer Bow) but was a squishy target with AC 23, which made him the most logical target. I think the Paladin was also using a +2 Keen Slayer Bow, but with just +6 hit, +2 damage and AC 32, he was much a less lower priority than the Ranger![/i]

- Several players died killing (or almost killing) the main boss.

oh yeah, I totally don't blame the marilith for targeting me. her '19' was a nice big target and I think I got the 50% miss chance roll every time, dealing about 50 damage every round. cloak of shadowskin and figurine owl kept me around for a while, then the cleric had to heal me a couple rounds in a row. I was lucky she was only hitting me one out of 2 attacks...then came the round she got both hits in a row and I went down. I had to do more than 200 damage to her myself, plus the help from the paladin. not sure if he finished her off by himself or if someone else stepped in after I died (I was busy being dead...out of the way).

Raven wrote: The best response to the Magma Elemental, though, was the Druid (I believe this was Cat, Kent/Reznor's wife?) who transformed herself into a Dire Bear, and kept sliding 20's, right into the Elemental's face, doing extra Cold damage every time.
He couldn't bake her. He could barely hit her. She could barely miss on him.
And so, while the heavily armoured fighters dropped their weapons in the corner and tried not to smell too much like pot-roast, the Druid ate the Magma Elemental's face.

yeah, that was my wife wearing her bear hat. she was the only other person dead with me at the end of our grind. but she had a blast and was bragging to me about chewing off the magma elemental's face.

kurtreznor wrote:

Incognito wrote: And kurtreznor was a Ranger with enormous damage potential (+16 hit, +11 damage with his +2 Keen Slayer Bow) but was a squishy target with AC 23, which made him the most logical target. I think the Paladin was also using a +2 Keen Slayer Bow, but with just +6 hit, +2 damage and AC 32, he was much a less lower priority than the Ranger![/i]

- Several players died killing (or almost killing) the main boss.

oh yeah, I totally don't blame the marilith for targeting me. her '19' was a nice big target and I think I got the 50% miss chance roll every time, dealing about 50 damage every round. cloak of shadowskin and figurine owl kept me around for a while, then the cleric had to heal me a couple rounds in a row. I was lucky she was only hitting me one out of 2 attacks...then came the round she got both hits in a row and I went down. I had to do more than 200 damage to her myself, plus the help from the paladin. not sure if he finished her off by himself or if someone else stepped in after I died (I was busy being dead...out of the way).

Raven wrote: The best response to the Magma Elemental, though, was the Druid (I believe this was Cat, Kent/Reznor's wife?) who transformed herself into a Dire Bear, and kept sliding 20's, right into the Elemental's face, doing extra Cold damage every time.
He couldn't bake her. He could barely hit her. She could barely miss on him.
And so, while the heavily armoured fighters dropped their weapons in the corner and tried not to smell too much like pot-roast, the Druid ate the Magma Elemental's face.

yeah, that was my wife wearing her bear hat. she was the only other person dead with me at the end of our grind. but she had a blast and was bragging to me about chewing off the magma elemental's face.

I did come over to help after you went down. Didn't know she was pushing out that kind of punishment. Then she started hitting me with a two swipe attack for 16 each the third was a feint to up her to hit since I upped my AC vs last year. 20 AC in grind means you are a target.

Eric/Raven. Feather fall should have nullified the thrown at another player damage correct?

Alvin Oliver wrote: Eric/Raven. Feather fall should have nullified the thrown at another player damage correct?

I'd say that it should. On the other hand, I'd also say it caused you to fall so slowly that you would lose a round of action.

Alvin Oliver wrote: Eric/Raven. Feather fall should have nullified the thrown at another player damage correct?

When I was running with the artifact that bumped me up to level-4 psychic abilities I was able to use the feather-fall ability for no damage when thrown. But on a previous Grind run I tried to use Pouch of Tulz to drink Potion Feather Fall while mid-air and Eric (I think) said that was a no-go. So I'm honestly not sure what was the correct option.

Alvin Oliver wrote: Eric/Raven. Feather fall should have nullified the thrown at another player damage correct?

Yes, it should have. Though I think I may have screwed up & given the wrong ruling once while I was in the middle of calculating damage. Can't remember if that was your run. If it was, I apologize.

I know that anyone using FeatherFall didn't take the "falling" damage from being thrown to the other side and missing a player target.

Raven wrote:

Alvin Oliver wrote: Eric/Raven. Feather fall should have nullified the thrown at another player damage correct?

Yes, it should have. Though I think I may have screwed up & given the wrong ruling once while I was in the middle of calculating damage. Can't remember if that was your run. If it was, I apologize.

I know that anyone using FeatherFall didn't take the "falling" damage from being thrown to the other side and missing a player target.

It's all good! I didn't die ...

I'm all right...nobody worry about me... (Doing the dance from Caddy Shack).

Kirk Bauer wrote: I had a ton of spare weapons with me, and I don't normally play Bard, but it sounds like I need to start bringing extra instruments just in case?

Yes, extra instruments are helpful!

Alvin Oliver wrote: LOL now that I think of it Kirk, I had 2 Widseth's in my backpack that I was looking to trade... I doubt you could have used it, since it wasn't equipped, and was a duplicate.

Picc wrote: Thats a good question actually. If you have several instruments you can switch between them. The duplicate rule should kick in to prevent you from equipping several copies of an item with the same name but could you keep backup copies of an instrument on you similarly to how you keep backup weapons in case of rust monsters.

Kirk Bauer wrote: What if I had several copies of Widseth's Lute, could I equip a new one?

In the past, when I have "destroyed" Widseth's Lutes, I have allowed extra copies to be used. So that is how I would rule. I guess I would treat instruments (held in the hand) as akin to Weapons and Shields.

Raven wrote: Yes, it should have. Though I think I may have screwed up & given the wrong ruling once while I was in the middle of calculating damage. Can't remember if that was your run. If it was, I apologize.

No worries at all if it was me!

Alvin Oliver wrote: Eric/Raven. Feather fall should have nullified the thrown at another player damage correct?

If the player hit had Feather Fall, he wouldn't have to take the larger amount (which would be split between both players).

However, even with Feather Fall, the hit player would take a smaller amount of impact damage from the initial hit.

Kirk Bauer wrote: When I was running with the artifact that bumped me up to level-4 psychic abilities I was able to use the feather-fall ability for no damage when thrown. But on a previous Grind run I tried to use Pouch of Tulz to drink Potion Feather Fall while mid-air and Eric (I think) said that was a no-go. So I'm honestly not sure what was the correct option.

Since the current Psychic rules treat Control Mass as something that requires a Free Action (as opposed to Energy Control which is an Instant) and that lasts the entire room, Control Mass (or drinking a Feather Fall potion) has to be used on your turn. Not after you're about to take falling damage.

Sometimes there might be an effect which results an imminent falling damage in the future. In those cases, players have the opportunity to drink a feather fall potion first.

But since getting tossed around doesn't cost you a turn, you don't have the time to drink a potion in mid-air.