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In 2013 our plans call for us to add an additional adventure to the event. There will be two consecutive adventure modules, and each module will have two variations of either a combat or puzzle orientation. The first module called “Lycans Afoot” tasks the party to travel through a dark forest in search of a tower, while the second module called “Golembane” challenges the party to reach the top of tower.

TOPIC: Ranger favored enemy still undead?

Re: Ranger favored enemy still undead? 13 years 4 months ago #49

Thanks for the clarification on the HoP/AoW. Is this different than a "double horn of plenty" that occured on the GT runs last year?

HoP/AoW breakdown:

Stamps - 3
Hop +6
AoW +6
RoR +3
CoGF +2-4

Total 20-22.

That's better than normal of 14-16 I'll be getting.
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Re: Ranger favored enemy still undead? 13 years 4 months ago #50

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Alvin Oliver wrote: Thanks for the clarification on the HoP/AoW. Is this different than a "double horn of plenty" that occured on the GT runs last year?

HoP/AoW breakdown:

Stamps - 3
Hop +6
AoW +6
RoR +3
CoGF +2-4

Total 20-22.

That's better than normal of 14-16 I'll be getting.



Not that 14-16 is bad when compared to regular 1-3
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Re: Ranger favored enemy still undead? 13 years 4 months ago #51

14-16 barely pays for the ticket to the event! We need to make MOAR PROFETS!

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Re: Ranger favored enemy still undead? 13 years 4 months ago #52

Toran wrote: 14-16 barely pays for the ticket to the event! We need to make MOAR PROFETS!


Funny thing is I don't really sell tokens, so I won't be making a profit. I'll just be getting more tokens to sort, to help build my token horde :) and to upgrade stuff.
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Re: Ranger favored enemy still undead? 13 years 4 months ago #53

Wow this topic got off topic feirce like.

Am I missing something here?

The HoP states 3 tokens per stamp.
3 stamps = 9

Where did the 6 come from again?
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Re: Ranger favored enemy still undead? 13 years 4 months ago #54

Oh found it!
The HoP doesn't actually give you 9 pulls. It grants you 3 treasure chips instead of 1 for each treasure stamp.

Ok so in a technical sense the HoP is +6 but only if you get 3 from the stamps so 3 stamps = 1 each and +2more each for the HoP.
It all still equal 9.

HoP+3 stamps = 9 tokens.
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Re: Ranger favored enemy still undead? 13 years 4 months ago #55

Druegar,

Can I get a bit of clarification? I believe Incongnito's math is right about the HoP & AoW where you would get 5 for every stamp with both, but since this is something new can we get a offical yeah or neah :)

Would this be different than a double horn of plenty? or is that actually 6 treasure per stamp :P

Thanks!
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Re: Ranger favored enemy still undead? 13 years 4 months ago #56

valetutto wrote: Oh found it!
The HoP doesn't actually give you 9 pulls. It grants you 3 treasure chips instead of 1 for each treasure stamp.

Ok so in a technical sense the HoP is +6 but only if you get 3 from the stamps so 3 stamps = 1 each and +2more each for the HoP.
It all still equal 9.

HoP+3 stamps = 9 tokens.


I think Incognito's point was that they thought this to be true:

3 Stamps
HoP = 9 pulls
AoW = 9 pulls

18 total pulls, your treasure stamp pulls are essentially doubled.

I think Incognito believes this:

3 Stamps = 3 pulls
HoP bonus = 6 extra pulls
AoW bonus = 6 extra pulls
15 total pulls, treasure stamp pulls aren't doubled.

This is what needs clarification.
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Re: Ranger favored enemy still undead? 13 years 4 months ago #57

Confirmed by Jeff, if your character is benefiting from two Horn of Plenty effects, those twin effects will entitle you to a TOTAL of 6 Treasure Chips per stamp.

Or if you want to look at it from a different angle, each HoP effect grants you a TOTAL of 3 Treasure Chips per stamp.

(This does not prevent you from earning more Treasure Chips through other means.)
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Re: Ranger favored enemy still undead? 13 years 4 months ago #58

Druegar wrote: Confirmed by Jeff, if your character is benefiting from two Horn of Plenty effects, those twin effects will entitle you to a TOTAL of 6 Treasure Chips per stamp.

Or if you want to look at it from a different angle, each HoP effect grants you a TOTAL of 3 Treasure Chips per stamp.

(This does not prevent you from earning more Treasure Chips through other means.)


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Re: Ranger favored enemy still undead? 13 years 4 months ago #59

Toran wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

DonaldR66 wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

Druegar wrote:

Alvin Oliver wrote: if your artifact gives the AoW power, and you wear a HoP does that stack?

I'm weighing in on this, so be prepared for disappointment...

Except this time you won't be! Per Jeff, if you are able to simultaneously equip a Horn of Plenty and something that duplicates the HoP effect, you will get a double HoP effect.

That is why my two neck slots are HoP and AoW (see artifact) I believe that equals 37 treasure pulls per run for me(even if i die in training room)
I have added a bunch of extra runs because of this(when I get tired, I will have Lori kill me off again)


We plan on putting the AoW and CoGF in the Backpack. Thess are the numbers as I see them.
AoW = 9
HoP = 9
7th Level = 1
RoR = 3
CoGF - 4

This comes to 22-26 (dependency on RoR - level) for those of us wearing the HoP (if all treasures stamps are collected). For the ten of us not wearing the HoP it will be 13-17 (dependency on RoR - level) Even without the RoR, HoP, and under 6th level and zero stamps we should still get 4 each?

How do you get to 37?

AoW = 9
HoP = 9
6th Level = 1
RoR = 3
CoGF - 4
my artifact=10
so 36..so some reason I had an extra 1(for being awesome)


So at an average value of $5 per treasure pull you'd be making more than $100 per run. Or, $50 per hour. Assuming you could sell all the treasure, etc.

If you did, say, 4 runs per day, even in pickup groups (to simulate a full work day) you could walk away from GenCon with as much as $1600 in profit...

I'm going to go cry now.

That is why I made my artifact they way i did...group effects were not allowed that year, or everyone would have that that ran with me

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Re: Ranger favored enemy still undead? 13 years 3 months ago #60

Xzib wrote: I think Incognito's point was that they thought this to be true:

3 Stamps
HoP = 9 pulls
AoW = 9 pulls

18 total pulls, your treasure stamp pulls are essentially doubled.

I think Incognito believes this:

3 Stamps = 3 pulls
HoP bonus = 6 extra pulls
AoW bonus = 6 extra pulls
15 total pulls, treasure stamp pulls aren't doubled.

This is what needs clarification.


Jeff has ruled otherwise (which is fine).

So this is mainly a didactic point. But in past discussions about the RoR and CoGF vs HoP, the comparison has been that HoP gives you a net benefit of up to 6 more pulls. When people talk about treasure generating tokens, they don't talk about HoP giving you 9 additional pulls, because 3 of them you would have received otherwise.

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