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We are offering for sale a limited number of "bagless" token kits. The same "deals" apply to these token kits, but you get a special "bonus" for not getting the bag with your kit.

Instead of the normal 7 Common, 2 Rare and 1 Very Rare token kit, you will get 8 Common, 3 Rare and 1 Very Rare tokens. That is an extra Common and Rare token.

This might be more of a pain int he ass to implement than it's worth but....I don't really need all these bags that I got with my tokens. I'm also sure that the bag must be quite a big chunk of the token production overhead and certainly it must cost more than manufacturing a few more tokens. So I was thinking about what they do at supermarkets where you get a refund of sorts if you bring your own bags. Maybe for the next batch of tokens that could be an option, to have us place a order and then ship the empty bags to you, or maybe to ship the bags in and then get bagless tokens for an extra bonus. I'm sure most of the diehards here would prefer more tokens to bags.

Since I don't know what you're paying for tokens or bags per unit, I can't know whether this is a large financial incentive, but I would think it has promise.

Hey if it would help TD out financially, I'd happily just mail back all my empty bags (keeping one of each color as collectibles) and not worry about getting anything back for it. Or I could bring 'em to GenCon and hand 'em in for a free smile from the Tavern Wench.

Same here. I've got half a dozen or more empty token bags. I could ship them back for a little bit off my next purchase.

Personally - I have made gifts of appreciation for 5 of the top TD Staffers (I am such a butt-kiss) - I am mailing these - bigger than breadbox gifts, to Jeff and inside I was planning on including all my extra pouches.

Let's remind ourselves TD is very volunteer based right now...if it were not for the people giving away their time and thoughts TD would be hurtin for certain. If you are not volunteering or giving away time or thoughts, please try to support TD by buying tokens and participating in the events but please do so responsibly (nice disclaimer for token addicts, like me).

The last thing any of us want is for TD to vanish like a scroll of Light or potion of Darkvision...

This is not intended as a shot at anyone - I need to remind myself that TD could be on a thin castle wall as well. Please do not take this personally anyone - but, if you can send in pouches or hand deliver at an event, just do it and feel good about it.

I am curious how much the bags cost. If they cost $0.10 each then it is hardly worth the bother to send them back. If they cost $1.00 each then I would be happy to donate half my bags back to TD.

George

Reading the FAQ, it seems that a cloak of elvenkind can not be used to scout ahead and avoid a surprise attack. Also, it seems it could not be used when the other players are in combat to search a room and remain invisible to a monster.
I recall that there was some discussion about it, and it seemed that some of it was up to GM interpretation, but can I get official verification?
Thanks.

I added it to the FAQ, answers will be coming with the next release.
Dave

Reading the FAQ, it seems that a cloak of elvenkind can not be used to scout ahead and avoid a surprise attack. Also, it seems it could not be used when the other players are in combat to search a room and remain invisible to a monster.
I recall that there was some discussion about it, and it seemed that some of it was up to GM interpretation, but can I get official verification?
Thanks.

Whoa, I must've missed something. I got the impression that the cloak works differently..."Having her form obscured prevents the player from gaining the attention of an attacking monster as long as the player takes no action during combat." I took that mean you simply couldn't engage in combat actions. I can understand how you can't exactly do other things like taunting the monster, shouting advice, or bashing your sword on the walls to test for secret doors or something, but I always assumed you could at least move around. You actually have to stand in place and not move until the combat is resolved if you don't want to be attacked? I know it also says stands still, but I assumed that was at the start of a combat situation. So if you're leading, you could still be first hit.

So far as I'm aware, only the rogue can move while wearing a cloak of Elven kind and keep the modifier.

That's how I've always thought it was done anyway.

There is a new version of the guide available (3.0). It contains an updated FAQ (1.3) and a diagram based listing of what and how many items can be worn or used. Thanks to Brian Kelley for the artwork.


Dave

Dave,

The guide looks good. Thank you. Still though, I am confused by the Cloak of Elvenkind. I believe you mentioned in another post that anyone can take themselves out of combat. If so, what benefit is the Cloak? What does it enable you to do that you otherwise couldn't? The Token Guide seems to imply that no one may withdrawl from combat and that the cloak will prevent future attacks if you stand there. Is this the case?

Confused,
Douglas

Douglas,
As I mentioned in my response to your PM. We are not preventing anyone from removing themselves from combat. They can cower in the corner and not be involved in melee if they want. They can initially engage in melee and decide to step out, either to quit, or to chang to ranged fighting. To do this, however, there is at least a one combat round penalty (more per DM’s discretion driven by the room mostly.) Engaging into melee or out of melee allows the monster to have an attack of opportunity (if one is appropriate) on that player. If the player has on a cloak, declares they are using it to remove themselves from melee, there should be no attack of opportunity.

If our theoretical player declares they are not participating in combat at all, or removing themselves from combat, then they are probably safe whether they have a cloak or not. If the monster has a ranged form of attack, say breath weapon, or poisoned quills for example, then the person standing in the corner without a cloak is fair game. Another hypothetical example could be that we have a monster that has a special hatred for Clerics. This monster will pursue a Cleric to destruction with no consideration to its own life. A cloak might save the Cleric in that case.

A cloak has turned out to be more insurance than anything else. As Jeff (or maybe it was me) indicated, there could be some specific room situations where a cloak could come in handy, but there will be no “no win� situations that absolutely require the player to have one.

As you pointed out, the bases for the game play is established to not require tokens at all. Tokens, however, do compensate for reckless gameplay, busted dice rolls, or missed combat targets and can extend the life of those players that may be a little more impulsive, or groups that just can’t seem to work things out.

Dave