TOPIC: Enchanters whetstone

jon wrote: If a dwarves fighter equips a rare weapon and brawlers horn in the off hand , he would get a +1 for the rare weapon and also a +1 for the brawlers horn ?

Brawler's horn gives +2 to hit in melee.

Said dwarf fighter would get +1 to hit and damage in melee from enchanter's whetstone, +2 to hit in melee from the brawler's horn, and whatever the weapon itself gives.

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

jon wrote: If a dwarves fighter equips a rare weapon and brawlers horn in the off hand , he would get a +1 for the rare weapon and also a +1 for the brawlers horn ?

Brawler's horn gives +2 to hit in melee.

Said dwarf fighter would get +1 to hit and damage in melee from enchanter's whetstone, +2 to hit in melee from the brawler's horn, and whatever the weapon itself gives.

If your question was whether the enchanters whetstone can give +2 by equipping 2 rare weapons, the answer is 'no'. For determining to-hit and damage values for multiple weapons, the best way to think of it is: calculate each weapon seperately, then the highest gets used on the party card. You will never add bonuses applied to different weapons together.

Note: for grind, they will actually put the stats of both weapons for ranger and monk, so you dont get 'free' bonuses to your weaker weapon.

Why are stats for the dungeon and grind different?

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=5&id=249672#339437

The way druegar responded, if a ranger or monk have a ultra rare in main hand and the brawlers horn in the other , they should be getting the +1 hit /dmg added. Or does it only get added in grind?

How bout if a monk has no weapon in main and brawler in the other?

jon wrote: Why are stats for the dungeon and grind different?

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=5&id=249672#339437

The way druegar responded, if a ranger or monk have a ultra rare in main hand and the brawlers horn in the other , they should be getting the +1 hit /dmg added. Or does it only get added in grind?

How bout if a monk has no weapon in main and brawler in the other?

Like Kurt pointed out, in normal TD you get the better bonus of your two weapons. This is simply due to time. The DMs don't have time to be constantly looking at which is your main hand and which is your offhand, and calculating accordingly. In Grind they have a bit more time and the module is much more melee focused, so they do that.

If you had no main hand and a horn in off-hand, you would get +1/+1 from the whetstone, and then +2 to hit from the brawler's horn, for a total of +3 hit/ +1 damage

I just tried this on Cranston's app, and notice that it is not accounting for this corner case. It looks like the app simply takes your main hand, as in most cases that should be correct. TDcharacter creator seems to be calculating it correctly. I can't speak for Amourgen's spreadsheet as I haven't used it.

jpotter wrote:

jon wrote: Why are stats for the dungeon and grind different?

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=5&id=249672#339437

The way druegar responded, if a ranger or monk have a ultra rare in main hand and the brawlers horn in the other , they should be getting the +1 hit /dmg added. Or does it only get added in grind?

How bout if a monk has no weapon in main and brawler in the other?

Like Kurt pointed out, in normal TD you get the better bonus of your two weapons. This is simply due to time. The DMs don't have time to be constantly looking at which is your main hand and which is your offhand, and calculating accordingly. In Grind they have a bit more time and the module is much more melee focused, so they do that.

Also, the same DMs are with you all hour, so they have more time to deal with the extra bookkeeping.

If you had no main hand and a horn in off-hand, you would get +1/+1 from the whetstone, and then +2 to hit from the brawler's horn, for a total of +3 hit/ +1 damage

Not according to

tokendb.com/token/enchanters-whetstone/

Whetstone only grants bonuses to rare weapons, not open hand attacks

I just tried this on Cranston's app, and notice that it is not accounting for this corner case. It looks like the app simply takes your main hand, as in most cases that should be correct. TDcharacter creator seems to be calculating it correctly. I can't speak for Amourgen's spreadsheet as I haven't used it.

So it sounds like Cranston’s is working correctly.

Update:
Okay, in Grind, main hand would be +2/+0 (Horn only) and off hand would be +3/+1 (Horn + Whetstone)
In main dungeon, both would be the best, or +3/+1

So which app is correct?

Whetstone says that the user gets +1 to hit/dmg. I thought that the weapon itself was getting the bonus.
Horn was +2 to hit and whetstone made the token itself +3 to hit and 1 dmg and than that bonus gets added to the player.

Milambus (Jake) wrote:

jon wrote: If the monk has +1 bracer equipped and brawlers horn will they be getting an extra +1 for the bracer and +1 for the horn ?

If yes, does the same apply to the ranger if he has rare equipped?

Not doing it on the app so was wondering .

+1 Bracer of the Dragonfist would give you +1 Attack for your primary hand.
Brawler's Horn should give +2 Attack for both hands.

So primary hand would be +3 Attack, and secondary hand would be +2 Attack. On normal runs this is simplified to just +3 Attack, but for Grinds they record each hand separately.

Both of these items are weapons, so the Enchanter's Whetstone should give +1 Attack and +1 Damage to both weapons.

Totals:
Primary hand: +4 Attack, +1 Damage
Secondary hand: +3 Attack, +1 Damage

This needs to be a certified coach question because it took me a minute to actually understand it.

It all depends which is primary hand, which is off hand, whether it is dungeon or grind.

All of these make the answer different.

TL;DR: Its complicated. Ask a specific question, you'll get the right answer

Whetstone page got updated so I guess things are clarified now .