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What is the draw to using the crossbow over Thor’s?

Please rethink the crossbow transmute. It is a substantially worse version of Thor's. Thor's is 1 handed, is both a melee and ranged weapon, and is available on the secondary market for 50-75% of what this will cost.

The relic is in an especially bad spot. Without a better crit range, it is about equal to the sacred sling.

A flat large damage bonus just isn't interesting to the community. We'd rather have items with interesting effects. For example, if the relic crossbow stunned creatures on one of the damage wheel pips (without a crit) - that would get attention. The legendary could then have kill on 2 pips on a crit and stun on those pips without a crit. The stun/kill effect would still be for undead, lycanthropes, and outsiders.

That would help make them quite a bit more viable.

Unfortunately, this transmute path doesn't make sense for many classes, especially when secondary market items will be $200 for a relic and $700-$800 for a legendary (usually.)

Comparing head to head:
Assassin's crossbow - just flat better x3 damage is arguably broken but is, by a long distance, the top damage dealer for that item (I routinely do near 300 dmg on crits with it.) The same build using this legendary would peak at about 100 less damage on a crit against undead - vs everything else, it is 150+ worse.
Keen slayer bow is better damage than either the relic or legendary crossbow and has a transmute path.
Io's - better damage, better crit range
+3 throwing hammer of smiting - the relic and legendary xbow are slightly better damage (and substantially better versus undead, etc..) Keep in mind, that hammer is going for less than $200 on the secondary market so it's a fraction of the cost of the new transmute.
+5 Thor's - exactly the same damage wheel as the legendary but +1 more to hit, can be used as a melee weapon, and only 1 handed allowing for shields or other 1 handed items.

I can't see people doing this transmute path considering the secondary market already being incredibly low for similar power items. I can't see any rogue choosing to do the legendary if they already have an assassin's crossbow.

I would recommend give the 19-20 crit range to the relic and +20 dmg vs undead and lycanthropes. Have the legendary be X3 damage on a crit and give it a crit range of 19-20. Maybe auto-kill undead and lycanthropes on a nat-20. I would pull the outsider language out entirely - thematically, it doesn't make sense.

Fred K wrote: An additional note. If I understand crit rules correctly, the legendary crossbow would eliminate the biggest benefit of Raphael's. Your big crit range of 17-20 for Raphael's gets reduced to 19-20. It is unfortunate to have a crossbow rogue players have been asking for be 100% a downgrade for legendaries you already have.

You are understanding the rules incorrectly. If you have two different crit ranges on the same character, you use the better one.

Jeff, is there a chance the two crossbows could have two 6's on the damage wheel so that they're more usable by Rogue Assassin's? Or is that still not something that would appeal to them?

Endgame wrote: What is the draw to using the crossbow over Thor’s?

Not much - but it does work with the new transmuted legendary +8 damage gloves and Thor's does not.

It also works with ammo.

Personally, I'd stick with Thor's if I were transmuting a legendary ranged weapon, due to the flexibility and STR based thrown weapon damage I'd pick up form stuff like the Arcanum pieces.

More extremely situational cases:

It's the best option for non-Legendary Ranged Rogues or Ranged Rogues without the Assassin's Crossbow - because it works with Lenses of Agility (Thor's doesn't, and they can't use Io's). (Although these fringe builds may be better off with multiple Nightshade's +2 Throwing Daggers?!?).

It also works with Indigo Bifrost Charm and Thor's doesn't, which may allow for a bit of cheaper way to fill out your +2 damage charms if that's what your build needs.

So “Insight” Power = plus to saves and a better awareness of incorporeal monsters.

I really like the Mark of the Tenets, if frees up the eye slot from lenses of tge fae

I still wish the crossbow was an upgraded assassins crossbow.

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Last note, I agree with Endgame that having the legendary add x3 for Bard and Rogue would be a very nice addition and stop the requests for Assassin's Crossbow each year. Hopefully the code for Assassin's Crossbow would be able to be reused?

O think I missed the conversation about “Insight “. I was thinking of something different.

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Last note, I agree with Endgame that having the legendary add x3 for Bard and Rogue would be a very nice addition and stop the requests for Assassin's Crossbow each year. Hopefully the code for Assassin's Crossbow would be able to be reused?

I don't think that enhancing the Legendary will stop requests for Assassin's Crossbow to be reprinted. I'm sure there are a lot of people that would like it at UR again who aren't going to transmute a Legendary.

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Impy wrote: Did one last quick look over for:
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Last note, I agree with Endgame that having the legendary add x3 for Bard and Rogue would be a very nice addition and stop the requests for Assassin's Crossbow each year. Hopefully the code for Assassin's Crossbow would be able to be reused?

I don't think that enhancing the Legendary will stop requests for Assassin's Crossbow to be reprinted. I'm sure there are a lot of people that would like it at UR again who aren't going to transmute a Legendary.

The folks who want the UR influence token design most.

Disagree with adding x3 crit and expanded crit range and bonus damage for a legendary. UR is considered over powered so building up from it would also be over powered.