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Crazy Suggestion: More URs 2 years 11 months ago #1

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Before I forget, I had a couple less sane ideas I wanted to toss out... First up... More URs!

I propose shifting the URs in the set from 20 to 30. 20 would be entirely new, and would be available in Onyx or Gold back. The other 10 are reprints and available in Gold back only. These would be literal reprints, except that they add (Reprint) at the end of their name.

Transmute recipes would use only the non reprints (as the intent is to reprint only tokens that are highly desired for play).

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Crazy Suggestion: More URs 2 years 11 months ago #2

Fiddy wrote: Before I forget, I had a couple less sane ideas I wanted to toss out... First up... More URs!

I propose shifting the URs in the set from 20 to 30. 20 would be entirely new, and would be available in Onyx or Gold back. The other 10 are reprints and available in Gold back only. These would be literal reprints, except that they add (Reprint) at the end of their name.

Transmute recipes would use only the non reprints (as the intent is to reprint only tokens that are highly desired for play).

Wouldn’t the change in artwork and date stamp on the back of the token remove the need for the word “reprint” in the title? I get the intent, but it’s slightly immersion breaking to toss “reprints” in the name. So much so it may damage sales.

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Crazy Suggestion: More URs 2 years 11 months ago #3

I think the game could definitely use a designated number of reprints a year, I also would like to see some of the old recipe URs back in print just so that the legendary items truly are timeless. It’s going to / is at a point where newer players won’t be able to make the legendary items.

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Crazy Suggestion: More URs 2 years 11 months ago #4

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It's silly but I dont think I would want to purchase something labeled "reprint" it just makes it seem lesser somehow. I'm also not sure we need 10 evergreen reprints, it feels like a can of worms waiting to be opened.
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Crazy Suggestion: More URs 2 years 11 months ago #5

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Endgame wrote: Wouldn’t the change in artwork and date stamp on the back of the token remove the need for the word “reprint” in the title? I get the intent, but it’s slightly immersion breaking to toss “reprints” in the name. So much so it may damage sales.


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Picc wrote: It's silly but I dont think I would want to purchase something labeled "reprint" it just makes it seem lesser somehow.



I am by no means tied to having "Reprint" text literally be there. I do think a quick way of identifying them at a glance would be nice though. Heck, it could be an "!" since we're all excited to see these reprints, right?

Yes, I'm sure we all have every year symbol (and artwork) memorized along with which year was the first year every token came out. But every now and then it'd be nice to not have to think through all that.

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Crazy Suggestion: More URs 2 years 11 months ago #6

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Picc wrote: I'm also not sure we need 10 evergreen reprints, it feels like a can of worms waiting to be opened.


I'm not sure if I understood this part of your concern clearly. Just to make sure I was clear, I'm not saying the same 10 reprints every year.

It seems like the desired reprint request list is currently growing rather than shrinking, even if we did assume we never reprinted a TE, recipe ingredient, or token less than 5 years out of print. I suspect we could easily put together a list of 10 for each of the next 5 years based on tokens that currently exist and are desired (and that will have met that 5 year OOP mark by the appropriate year). By that point, we'd have even more tokens eligible for reprint.

And if it became obvious that demand just wasn't there, it isn't hard to dial it back from 10.

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Crazy Suggestion: More URs 2 years 11 months ago #7

I would be in support of locked reprint slots every year for URs and I think that a 5 year age rule would be appropriate as well for now. Growth of the game may eventually dictate that gap needs to shrink, and as we all know, a gaming community needs to grow and replenish its players to survive.

However, 10 is too many because it doesn't force the community towards consensus. A lower number means that the community would focus on the absolute most important and most popular reprints, which would also help inform token design into the future ie "We reprinted top tokens 1-4 last year, so we expect that the next 6 will be the focus of discussion next year, so we can design the rest of the collection around that expectation"

I'm not completely sold on expanding the number of UR slots, but at a smaller reprint number it might be reasonable to do so.

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Crazy Suggestion: More URs 2 years 11 months ago #8

I think we might have trouble coming up with 20 new, desirable URs every year to be honest, unless we are also ok with even wider gaps in desirability.
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Crazy Suggestion: More URs 2 years 11 months ago #9

I'm all for reprinting additional URs per year, whether as part of the regular 20 or something above and beyond that, but I don't agree with restricting them from being used in Transmute recipes. I don't recall it ever being said that URs in Legendary Transmute recipes wouldn't be reprinted. I actually hope they will be, so more people with the Relics have the opportunity to make the Legendary tokens.

I've suggested for awhile now that perhaps the number of tokens in the token set should be increased at all rarities. Given the ever-increasing number of slots, it's getting harder and harder to fit tokens for all of them into the token set. Maybe something like 25 URs and 50 R/U/C makes sense.

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Crazy Suggestion: More URs 2 years 11 months ago #10

I'd like to see more as well, but make it 25 total URs, with maybe 5 slots for reprints? Create a rule where they have to have been out of print for 4-5 years, and try and make one or two of them URs needed for Legendary transmuting.

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Crazy Suggestion: More URs 2 years 11 months ago #11

Do we really need to increase the total UR count, even with 5ish reprints per year? Are we regularly creating sets with all highly desirable URs in the UR group?

I would actually go the the other way - power creep is best contained by releasing fewer new things for the sake of being new. We should identify the number of new, interesting, and non power creeping (or acknowledge that the creep is OK for reasons XYZ) URs by draft 2 or 3, and then fill the rest with reprints. It’s OK if this means we only end up with 10 new URs.

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Crazy Suggestion: More URs 2 years 11 months ago #12

I like and honestly reprints is more likely to get me to spend more money on tokens in a given year. Gives me a chance and feeling of opportunity to 'catch up' on stuff i missed the 1st time. I support reprints at all rarities including transmutes and agree on a age window would be an initial start point.

Rather see more reprints than more URs in general and i'm okay with there being a variable window of how many. Rather see a hey this year we want to reprint tokens 1-8 and then next year 1-4 based on factors than a forced window of only so many no more no less.
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