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Transmuted 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 2 weeks ago #1

We bumped the Monk items down a wee bit. We made the Psychic Power Tier at Level 5 for various reasons. To make things less complicated, we just took out the ammo bonus and combined it with the Sharp Shooter bonus to make it a simple damage bonus to Ranged.

Thanks for your considered and creative ideas for these items. It is much appreciated! And I am sorry if you are disappointed if a token is not good enough or too good for your tastes. I do really appreciate the good debates held on the Forum, but at some point we have to make the final call.

Thank you again for your ideas, patience and understanding!

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Transmuted 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 2 weeks ago #2

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I like the tuning down of the Monk items.

I like the extra clarity on the Ranger Legendary and lenses. Though I wonder about the Cloak's Con going down and then back up, since the UR was increased to 4. Maybe it could/should be +4 CON on the ranger relic and +5 on the Legendary?
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Transmuted 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 2 weeks ago #3

Does Barbarian +1 rage grant a “greater rage” of you are level 5, or only the level 4 “rage” effect?
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Transmuted 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 2 weeks ago #4

Still very disappointed with not have a full guard on the Holy avenger. I think I have made the case for it enough. If this was the final version only with full time guard I would go ahead and make one, as is I’ll just be passing since I think the only things being changed at this point is minor details not major changes.
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Transmuted 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 2 weeks ago #5

I too would prefer the full guard. The legendary allows 15 points of healing, Advantage on a save 2/game (which is awesome, btw), and the evil outsider power.

Full disclosure, I will be making the legendary, no matter what powers it has. I like Paladin, I always have, and I've wanted to wield a holy avenger in TD for 15 years now (I missed 2003). Soon......

Meanwhile the arcane set just got a boost that will mean every first room monster has to be prepared for a fully enhanced 3rd level spell from any caster, just in case. That seems incredibly powerful.

I also lament the loss of the ranger ammo effects, but agree there were too many consumables on it. I like the theme of going old school with scrolls and animal companions. Would it be too much to not require the animal companion to be turned in? I know that is the druid power too, so maybe it would be.

I'm assuming Barbarian works with both rage and greater rage, this is just to save space.

Monk is better toned down, thank you.

Thank you for clarifying Lenses of the Owl

Should Ring of Fervor read "+1 damage IN melee or w/damage spell"? The current wording feels awkward.
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Transmuted 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 2 weeks ago #6

Jeff, thanks for letting us contribute to the process. I know you get a ton of feedback pushing tokens in all types of directions, and there is no way for you to make everyone happy, and in the end you need to make the decisions you think are best for True Dungeon. It's amazing how patient and open you are throughout this process every year.

I do really like moving the design to pre-GENCON, it seemed like there was a lot more time for feedback and revisions. :)
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Transmuted 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 2 weeks ago #7

I still think Monk should go down to +3/+5, puts them a bit farther away from the Barbarian.

And I still think the Guard on the Legendary is OP. Combined with AoG that's 2 full time people guarded per dungeon and a third person guarded every time in the last room. The Pally's who swing the Legendary will probably be in the neighborhood of 40-45 AC, maybe more. Which means the Paladin, Wizard, Bard, and Cleric/Wizard won't be touched in the last room with melee attacks.
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Transmuted 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 2 weeks ago #8

Xavon wrote:
I like the extra clarity on the Ranger Legendary and lenses. Though I wonder about the Cloak's Con going down and then back up, since the UR was increased to 4. Maybe it could/should be +4 CON on the ranger relic and +5 on the Legendary?


I was thinking the same. If the con on the cloak went up if the con on the transmutes was supposed to go up
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Transmuted 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 2 weeks ago #9

+1
Im not a veteran player mind you, but have been following these discussions. It seems with each version the HA gets weaker. I don't find much weight in the "its not a neck slot" argument. I don't think I would invest the cash to make such a weapon w/o the full time guard either. Its like in sports, there isn't a "hall of very good"- but rather a hall of fame. This item just doesn't feel "legendary".

Wayne Rhodes wrote: Still very disappointed with not have a full guard on the Holy avenger. I think I have made the case for it enough. If this was the final version only with full time guard I would go ahead and make one, as is I’ll just be passing since I think the only things being changed at this point is minor details not major changes.

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Transmuted 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 2 weeks ago #10

Rob F wrote: I still think Monk should go down to +3/+5, puts them a bit farther away from the Barbarian.

And I still think the Guard on the Legendary is OP. Combined with AoG that's 2 full time people guarded per dungeon and a third person guarded every time in the last room. The Pally's who swing the Legendary will probably be in the neighborhood of 40-45 AC, maybe more. Which means the Paladin, Wizard, Bard, and Cleric/Wizard won't be touched in the last room with melee attacks.


Quoted the wrong post the first time somehow.

I was wanting to make the +5 Holy avenger and I don’t even have relic level armor yet, when I was thinking of making the Holy avenger I was really considering upgrading to the relic set of armor. It’s not all bad though, this is going to save me a bunch of money.

with my current tokens I own my max AC is 32
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Transmuted 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 2 weeks ago #11

Can the barbarian legendary grant the user the ability to read? Not, like, read scrolls or anything crazy, just the ability to read.
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Transmuted 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 2 weeks ago #12

Braxton wrote: Can the barbarian legendary grant the user the ability to read? Not, like, read scrolls or anything crazy, just the ability to read.


Classes with the same INT stat as Barbarian:

Bard
Cleric
Druid
Dwarf Fighter
Fighter
Paladin
Ranger
Rogue

We're a dim bunch... reading could come in handy.
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