TOPIC: 2020 Rare Beta Images

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

FiannaTiger wrote:

Endgame wrote: Oh, hey, +1 Assassins blade is FoB compatible! Its like a +1 Cestus, but with a better, and interesting, damage wheel at 2-2-2-6-6-7

That damage wheel will make the Assassin prestige class happy, 6's are everyone favorite (yes sarcasm) instant kills.

I know this is a joke, but I'm pretty sure we already have a rogue melee weapon with 2 6's on it.
I like it for theme, and fob

Yep, there are existing Rogue weapons with a 1-in-3 chance of getting a 6.

Am I wrong in thinking this is now the best Rare FOB weapon? Damage on Rare FOB weapons had been limited to d4 other than the Bracer weapons that also block the wrist slot, hasn't it?

Fiddy wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

FiannaTiger wrote:

Endgame wrote: Oh, hey, +1 Assassins blade is FoB compatible! Its like a +1 Cestus, but with a better, and interesting, damage wheel at 2-2-2-6-6-7

That damage wheel will make the Assassin prestige class happy, 6's are everyone favorite (yes sarcasm) instant kills.

I know this is a joke, but I'm pretty sure we already have a rogue melee weapon with 2 6's on it.
I like it for theme, and fob

Yep, there are existing Rogue weapons with a 1-in-3 chance of getting a 6.

Am I wrong in thinking this is now the best Rare FOB weapon? Damage on Rare FOB weapons had been limited to d4 other than the Bracer weapons that also block the wrist slot, hasn't it?

Yes, it is probably the best Rare FoB weapon available, especially when compared to the Cestus.

However, the Brawler's horn is FoB compatible and is a d8 damage wheel.

Endgame wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

FiannaTiger wrote:

Endgame wrote: Oh, hey, +1 Assassins blade is FoB compatible! Its like a +1 Cestus, but with a better, and interesting, damage wheel at 2-2-2-6-6-7

That damage wheel will make the Assassin prestige class happy, 6's are everyone favorite (yes sarcasm) instant kills.

I know this is a joke, but I'm pretty sure we already have a rogue melee weapon with 2 6's on it.
I like it for theme, and fob

Yep, there are existing Rogue weapons with a 1-in-3 chance of getting a 6.

Am I wrong in thinking this is now the best Rare FOB weapon? Damage on Rare FOB weapons had been limited to d4 other than the Bracer weapons that also block the wrist slot, hasn't it?

Yes, it is probably the best Rare FoB weapon available, especially when compared to the Cestus.

However, the Brawler's horn is FoB compatible and is a d8 damage wheel.

I consider Bracer of the Asp to be the best Flurry capable weapon. It has an average of 7.5 damage, but you don't get the +1 attack and you can't use another bracer. Compared to +1 Assassin's Blade at 4.17 average damage, or 6.17 when including a +2 damage bracer. So its a question of +1 attack or 1.33 more damage.

Edit: Brawler's Horn is not a d8 damage wheel, its a d6 with +2 damage on its highest number.

Wayne Rhodes wrote: Why did the wand damage drop to 7?
We already have wands that do 8 and it’s not breaking the game. I would like it to be restored to 8 damage so it matches the last few years wands.

I think the thought was that there are monsters who resist almost every elemental type of damage. To date there is nothing that resists force, but at least one monster (I think) has been vulnerable to it, so those considerations make a Force wand more powerful than any other type.

JACKOFTRADZE wrote: - Vigor Amulet is too OP in my opinion, +3 max

The gap between Amulet of Vigor and UR neck items is consistent with:

1. The gap between Belt of Ogre Power/the Berserker and UR waist items.
2. The gap between Gauntlets of Ogre Power/the Midgard Serpent and UR hand items.

Large gaps between Rare and UR make the game feel P2W, and make it difficult for players to get to hardcore without URs.

Please explain why why the rare/UR neck gap needs to be larger than the hands or waist gap.

Kirk Bauer wrote: 2) Amulet of Vigor: WAY too strong. Total of +4 to stats, with 2 of those strength and granting +4hp too. Compare to the (volunteer) Amulet of the Hero which only grants +3 between three stats. I think this should be +1 STR and +1 CON and that still makes it an incredible token especially for new players who have odd starting stats.

The gap between Amulet of Vigor and UR neck items is consistent with:

1. The gap between Belt of Ogre Power/the Berserker and UR waist items.
2. The gap between Gauntlets of Ogre Power/the Midgard Serpent and UR hand items.

Large gaps between Rare and UR make the game feel P2W, and make it difficult for players to get to hardcore without URs.

Please explain why why the rare/UR neck gap needs to be larger than the hands or waist gap.

Really happy with the name change to Claymore!

Still think the amulet is now a best in rare slot now, it's almost as good as an ultrarare.

James J Krot wrote: Still think the amulet is now a best in rare slot now, it's almost as good as an ultrarare.

It’s better than many URs, and would be a better buy than many URs to upgrade characters.

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

James J Krot wrote: Still think the amulet is now a best in rare slot now, it's almost as good as an ultrarare.

It’s better than many URs, and would be a better buy than many URs to upgrade characters.

What ur neck items are worse than amulet of vigor again?

If you just mean better than some ur in any slot, that's hardly surprising, and true of many other rares.

Wayne Rhodes wrote: Why did the wand damage drop to 7?
We already have wands that do 8 and it’s not breaking the game. I would like it to be restored to 8 damage so it matches the last few years wands.

Big +1

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

James J Krot wrote: Still think the amulet is now a best in rare slot now, it's almost as good as an ultrarare.

It’s better than many URs, and would be a better buy than many URs to upgrade characters.

Which URs?

Not better than :
Horn of plenty
Amulet of treasure finding
Stu-pendous pendent
Amulet of the Champion
Medallion of Valhalla

Questionable
Charm necklace (need good charms)
Hand of glory (need good ring)
Amulet of wonder (varies by year)