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Please help me upgrade my Barbarian 2 years 2 months ago #13

BeLinda Mathie wrote: Earcuff of the Sacred or Rum Drinker’s Earcuff would be useful more often than the Earcuff of Understanding.

It would mean giving up treasure, but a +2 Cloak of Resistance would buff all your saves.

Amulet of Smashing and Bliss Bill Helm are my other recommendations to hit more often/harder.

Another thing to consider is a level bump. (Didn’t see one, but maybe I missed it.) Ring of Heroism, Cook’s Hat, or Ring of Fateful Heroism are probably the most economical way to do it these days. It would take a chunk of your budget, but you’d get a permanent benefit. A folio of might is a temporary (one-time, consumable) way to get a level bump.


Thanks for the suggestions. Helm and Amulet sound good, but level bump is more than I want to spend.

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Please help me upgrade my Barbarian 2 years 2 months ago #14

I don't the know going rates for this stuff, but here a potential upgrades.

I'd prioritize:

Belt of the Brave - Essentially a Relic level item available for the price of a completion token.

Enchanter's Whetstone - Essentially turns both your rare melee and ranged weapons into vanilla URs as a slotless token. Maybe you could trade your Shirt of Blessed Strength for an Enchanter's Whetstone which would be stat neutral, and then you could have a different shirt.

Important rules notes (for stats that are 10 or higher):

Getting CON to the next highest even number gives you +4 HP (or +5 at level 5) and +1 to FORT saves.
Getting STR to the next next highest even number gives you +1 to melee hit and damage, thrown weapon damage.

Taking stats from an odd number down to the next lowest even number doesn't cause anything negative to happen, so a token that is "+X to something you want, and -1 to an attribute that is odd" has no downside.

I would use these general principles in your place:

Desirable effects from highest to lowest priority, slot +1 Treasure in the list wherever you like it.

2022 Only: Immune to underwater hindrances
Melee damage
Melee to-hit
Will saves
Immune to Hold, Slow, and other Hindrances
Fort saves
HP
Damage reduction
Reflex saves
Immune to Surprise
AC

The main rationale for these are:

In terms of expected value of damage, for the stat ranges you are in, more melee damage is better than more to-hit.

Will and Fortitude saves will tend to save you entire rounds of being incapacitated, or even being killed outright, and so are more valuable than Reflex saves which will tend to avoid damage.

"Hold, Slow, and other Hindrances" is a pretty common effect, normally making an appearance in at least one dungeon at least once a year, sometimes much more. If you are doing the run multiple times and it's not needed, it can be subbed out.


Earcuff:

tokendb.com/token/rum-drinkers-earcuff/
tokendb.com/token/earcuff-of-the-wind/
tokendb.com/token/earcuff-of-enlightenment/

Neck:

tokendb.com/token/amulet-of-shock/
tokendb.com/token/amulet-of-smashing/
tokendb.com/token/amulet-of-vigor/

Torso:

tokendb.com/token/darkling-void-armor/
tokendb.com/token/ravager-armor/
tokendb.com/token/nether-brute-armor/

Wrists:

tokendb.com/token/bracers-of-fire/
tokendb.com/token/bracers-of-frost/
tokendb.com/token/bracers-of-lightning/
tokendb.com/token/bracers-of-the-tavernkeeper/
tokendb.com/token/bracers-of-the-toad/

Melee Weapon:

tokendb.com/token/1-heavy-claymore/ (Slightly more damage)
tokendb.com/token/1-nether-dire-flail/ (Slightly more damage, heal on 20)

Ranged weapon:

Switch into a rare +1 to hit thrown weapon so you get your STR bonuses on the damage, anything like:

tokendb.com/token/1-heavy-triton-trident/ is your best option, but any will do.

Each can be thrown once per combat, but you can bring a stack of 3 or 4 and you won't run out in a room unless you are playing grind.


Back:

I think the Back slot is one of the better slots and wouldn't trade it for the +1 treasure, I'd rather use the one of these, in priority order from best to worst options:

tokendb.com/token/ring-of-treasure-finding/
tokendb.com/token/lenses-of-fortune/
tokendb.com/token/crown-of-treasure-finding/
tokendb.com/token/sandals-of-humble-reward/

Which opens up the back for:

tokendb.com/token/2-cloak-of-resistance/
tokendb.com/token/cloak-of-painful-luck/
tokendb.com/token/cloak-of-the-wind/
tokendb.com/token/shadow-cloak/

Rings:

tokendb.com/token/ring-of-brilliance/
tokendb.com/token/ring-of-dark-health/
tokendb.com/token/ring-of-the-sirens-kiss/ (2022 only)
tokendb.com/token/ring-of-fortitude/
tokendb.com/token/ring-of-iron-will/
tokendb.com/token/ring-of-enervation/

Waist:

tokendb.com/token/belt-of-the-brave/

Feet:

tokendb.com/token/boots-of-shocking-step/
tokendb.com/token/shoes-of-nethercraft/
tokendb.com/token/boots-of-inferno-step/

Legs:

tokendb.com/token/pantaloons-of-the-underdark/
tokendb.com/token/pants-of-the-oaf/
tokendb.com/token/blighted-pants/ (only if it makes your resulting CON even)

Shins:

Any -2 damage rare shin

Beads - you get up to 3 now with new 2022 rules:

tokendb.com/token/bead-clerics-piety/
tokendb.com/token/bead-firehold/
tokendb.com/token/bead-monks-piety/
tokendb.com/token/bead-of-bending/
tokendb.com/token/bead-of-chugging/
tokendb.com/token/bead-of-the-bear/
tokendb.com/token/bead-of-the-dire-bear/
tokendb.com/token/bead-of-the-fireside/
tokendb.com/token/bead-of-the-stag/

Charms:

tokendb.com/token/charm-of-the-earth/
tokendb.com/token/charm-of-the-elk/
tokendb.com/token/charm-of-fortitude/
tokendb.com/token/charm-of-good-health/
tokendb.com/token/charm-of-the-imbiber/ (Only if it makes CON even, and your DEX is odd before equipping)
tokendb.com/token/charm-of-the-lava-fiend/
tokendb.com/token/charm-of-the-sea-snake/
tokendb.com/token/charm-of-the-sea-hag/ (Only if it makes CON even)
tokendb.com/token/charm-of-the-sipquick/ (Only if your DEX is odd before equipping)

Iouns - You get 5, so any more that do anything at all. Here are some favorites:

tokendb.com/token/ioun-stone-jasper-ellipsoid/
tokendb.com/token/ioun-stone-jasper-prism/
tokendb.com/token/ioun-stone-ruby-rhombus/
tokendb.com/token/ioun-stone-faceted-amber/
tokendb.com/token/ioun-stone-tourmaline-tear/
tokendb.com/token/ioun-stone-granite-ovoid/
And of the -1 damage from type common Iouns.

Figurine:

tokendb.com/token/figurine-of-power-salamander/ (Fire damage is very common in general, maybe not underwater in 2022...)
tokendb.com/token/figurine-of-power-imp/

Slotless / Consumable:

tokendb.com/token/enchanters-whetstone/
tokendb.com/token/averons-5-healing-cherry/ (Additional rage)
tokendb.com/token/folio-of-might/ (These seem to be gettable for a few bucks each, cheapest way to get to level 5 if you only run a few times a year)
tokendb.com/token/lamp-of-the-marid/
tokendb.com/token/lamp-of-the-efreeti/

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Please help me upgrade my Barbarian 2 years 2 months ago #15

Oh - and if you want to splurge for level 5, try to get a Cook's Hat. Level 5 for two Iouns and a head slot is the best option for Barbarians with a single UR token.

That being said, the level 4 to 5 jump isn't so amazing for barbarians, you may get more bang for your buck getting two or three of: Enchanter's Whetstone, Belt of the Brave, Ioun Stone Jasper Ellipsoid instead.

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Please help me upgrade my Barbarian 2 years 2 months ago #16

jedibcg wrote:

Kresimir Sicel wrote: belt of the Ogre mage is around $25, belt of the brave around $12 on TrentTokens.
Some great suggestions! Thank you!


I would suggest also look at the forum for prices on tokens. Nothing against Trent but is possible to find tokens for better prices at times on the forums.


This is good advice in general, but those $12 belts of the brave on Trent’s site are honestly the cheapest I’ve seen recently.

And I just want to echo just how good that particular token is for a melee character. It’s honestly better than some ultra rare tokens.

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Please help me upgrade my Barbarian 2 years 2 months ago #17

Matthew Hayward wrote: Oh - and if you want to splurge for level 5, try to get a Cook's Hat. Level 5 for two Iouns and a head slot is the best option for Barbarians with a single UR token.

That being said, the level 4 to 5 jump isn't so amazing for barbarians, you may get more bang for your buck getting two or three of: Enchanter's Whetstone, Belt of the Brave, Ioun Stone Jasper Ellipsoid instead.


Thank you so much for your help! Can't wait to go through your post and order some tokens.

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Please help me upgrade my Barbarian 2 years 2 months ago #18

Sorry if someone else mentioned this but I think you mean the Medallion of Nobility not the Badge of Nobility. The Medallion is the 5th level reward and the Badge is the 9th. I can see that you are not 9th level so...


Okay if you want to spend in the ballpark that you mentioned above and are only playing normal. I would spend some only on the Ioun Stone Platinum Nugget. I haven't a clue what they are going for but the last auction they PYP (pick your purple) sold for less than $100. So you should be able able to get one for less than 100, if by just bidding on an auction. Why am I recommending the ISPN? Because it will increase your treasure from 5 to 6, though not a huge uptick. Then you can pick out a Ioun Stone Gold Nugget for $130 (maybe less but I know there is one for sale at that price). That bumps your treasure to 8. You can then replace your back with another cloak. +2 Cloak of Resistance would be my recommendation.

At normal difficulty what you have is very solid. Picking up those 2 UR's are going to get you more tokens every time you play. They are also going to go up in price so picking them up sooner vs later would be in your benefit. They would be a bit over your budget $90 (looking at the current auction for PYP) + $130.
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Please help me upgrade my Barbarian 2 years 2 months ago #19

jedibcg wrote: Sorry if someone else mentioned this but I think you mean the Medallion of Nobility not the Badge of Nobility. The Medallion is the 5th level reward and the Badge is the 9th. I can see that you are not 9th level so...


Okay if you want to spend in the ballpark that you mentioned above and are only playing normal. I would spend some only on the Ioun Stone Platinum Nugget. I haven't a clue what they are going for but the last auction they PYP (pick your purple) sold for less than $100. So you should be able able to get one for less than 100, if by just bidding on an auction. Why am I recommending the ISPN? Because it will increase your treasure from 5 to 6, though not a huge uptick. Then you can pick out a Ioun Stone Gold Nugget for $130 (maybe less but I know there is one for sale at that price). That bumps your treasure to 8. You can then replace your back with another cloak. +2 Cloak of Resistance would be my recommendation.

At normal difficulty what you have is very solid. Picking up those 2 UR's are going to get you more tokens every time you play. They are also going to go up in price so picking them up sooner vs later would be in your benefit. They would be a bit over your budget $90 (looking at the current auction for PYP) + $130.


Yea, I messed up my nobility tokens. Thanks for all the info. I'll look into getting extra treasure tokens after I get some reds to fill in some slots.

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Please help me upgrade my Barbarian 2 years 2 months ago #20

jedibcg wrote: Sorry if someone else mentioned this but I think you mean the Medallion of Nobility not the Badge of Nobility. The Medallion is the 5th level reward and the Badge is the 9th. I can see that you are not 9th level so...


Okay if you want to spend in the ballpark that you mentioned above and are only playing normal. I would spend some only on the Ioun Stone Platinum Nugget. I haven't a clue what they are going for but the last auction they PYP (pick your purple) sold for less than $100. So you should be able able to get one for less than 100, if by just bidding on an auction. Why am I recommending the ISPN? Because it will increase your treasure from 5 to 6, though not a huge uptick. Then you can pick out a Ioun Stone Gold Nugget for $130 (maybe less but I know there is one for sale at that price). That bumps your treasure to 8. You can then replace your back with another cloak. +2 Cloak of Resistance would be my recommendation.

At normal difficulty what you have is very solid. Picking up those 2 UR's are going to get you more tokens every time you play. They are also going to go up in price so picking them up sooner vs later would be in your benefit. They would be a bit over your budget $90 (looking at the current auction for PYP) + $130.


Wouldn't each nugget give me +2? So wouldn't it be 9 pulls if I get both nuggets? Also, are you selling you Platinum Nugget? I saw it in your trade post.

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Please help me upgrade my Barbarian 2 years 2 months ago #21

More nuggets is more better. Each is 2 you are correct. At the price you mentioned, the platinum (bid 85 on an auction early or 90 and you should be able to get one in the last few auctions)

The gold or silver, you need to find one for sale, and then bingo bango. That said, there should be another UR treasure enhancer next year that that might be cheaper than a old nuggets, if price is something you haven’t disregarded in your token-holic-ness yet.
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Please help me upgrade my Barbarian 2 years 2 months ago #22

macxdmg wrote: More nuggets is more better. Each is 2 you are correct. At the price you mentioned, the platinum (bid 85 on an auction early or 90 and you should be able to get one in the last few auctions)

The gold or silver, you need to find one for sale, and then bingo bango. That said, there should be another UR treasure enhancer next year that that might be cheaper than a old nuggets, if price is something you haven’t disregarded in your token-holic-ness yet.


Where are these auctions?

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Please help me upgrade my Barbarian 2 years 2 months ago #23

Kresimir Sicel wrote: .

Where are these auctions?


They happen on forum threads.

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Please help me upgrade my Barbarian 2 years 2 months ago #24

Kresimir Sicel wrote: Wouldn't each nugget give me +2? So wouldn't it be 9 pulls if I get both nuggets? Also, are you selling you Platinum Nugget? I saw it in your trade post.


3 Base Treasure
2 ISPN
2 ISGN
1 for being 6th level.
8 total treasure

You cannot use the cloak with the Nuggets, so unless I am missing something (which is possible) then it would be 8.

I am not selling my nuggets at this time but will trade them for stuff I want.

Here is the link to Beertam's Auction
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=584&id=254175
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