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Missed GenCon, Game Hole Con exp for 2016? 7 years 6 months ago #253

Incognito wrote:

bpsymington wrote: It seems to me that the best way to make the most people happy, or at least satisfied, is the annual 4K cap, achievable regardless of which con you attend, as long as you are not repeating a dungeon.


Well, that doesn't make me happy! :P

I'd personally rather have either WYC/Gamehole Con have zero XP OR for them to provide a separate amount of XP (raising the cap).

Regardless of the long-term policy, I definitely do not think this Gamehole Con should have XP in order to be consistent with WYC and so that people get notice in advance so they can make plans ahead of time.


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Missed GenCon, Game Hole Con exp for 2016? 7 years 6 months ago #254

Incognito wrote: I'd personally rather have either WYC/Gamehole Con have zero XP OR for them to provide a separate amount of XP (raising the cap).

Regardless of the long-term policy, I definitely do not think this Gamehole Con should have XP in order to be consistent with WYC and so that people get notice in advance so they can make plans ahead of time.

+1 although my preference is have a separate amount for alt cons.

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Missed GenCon, Game Hole Con exp for 2016? 7 years 6 months ago #255

MasterED wrote:

Incognito wrote: I'd personally rather have either WYC/Gamehole Con have zero XP OR for them to provide a separate amount of XP (raising the cap).

Regardless of the long-term policy, I definitely do not think this Gamehole Con should have XP in order to be consistent with WYC and so that people get notice in advance so they can make plans ahead of time.

+1 although my preference is have a separate amount for alt cons.

Ed


I'm curious why either of you would prefer a solution of having zero XP available at WYC or GHC over allowing them to contribute to the 4K cap. It is the exact solution that True Dungeon has used in the past for XP at multiple conventions (GENCON Indy with GENCON SoCal and True Realm). Even if that isn't your preferred solution, it seems better than not allowing any XP at all at those conventions.

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Missed GenCon, Game Hole Con exp for 2016? 7 years 6 months ago #256

Mike Steele wrote:

MasterED wrote:

Incognito wrote: I'd personally rather have either WYC/Gamehole Con have zero XP OR for them to provide a separate amount of XP (raising the cap).

Regardless of the long-term policy, I definitely do not think this Gamehole Con should have XP in order to be consistent with WYC and so that people get notice in advance so they can make plans ahead of time.

+1 although my preference is have a separate amount for alt cons.

Ed


I'm curious why either of you would prefer a solution of having zero XP available at WYC or GHC over allowing them to contribute to the 4K cap. It is the exact solution that True Dungeon has used in the past for XP at multiple conventions (GENCON Indy with GENCON SoCal and True Realm). Even if that isn't your preferred solution, it seems better than not allowing any XP at all at those conventions.



First of all, some of this depends on whether the WYC/GHC would be the exact same dungeons as GenCon or to what degree it reused older things. (For example, GenCon SoCal was the identical dungeon as GenCon Indy).

One of my concerns is whether it would de-emphasize the role and importance of GenCon Indy.

I'm curious why you wouldn't prefer the solution of having XP available at WYC or GHC only for players below a certain level. It is the exact solution that True Dungeon has used in the past for XP for True Dungeon Mini-Quest. Even if that isn't your preferred solution, it seems better than not allowing any XP at all at those conventions.


Also,

I'm curious why you wouldn't prefer the solution of having XP available for True Grind. It is the exact solution that True Dungeon has used in the past for separate events like True Heroes. Even if that isn't your preferred solution, it seems better than not allowing any XP at all for such separate events.

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Missed GenCon, Game Hole Con exp for 2016? 7 years 6 months ago #257

Incognito wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

MasterED wrote:

Incognito wrote: I'd personally rather have either WYC/Gamehole Con have zero XP OR for them to provide a separate amount of XP (raising the cap).

Regardless of the long-term policy, I definitely do not think this Gamehole Con should have XP in order to be consistent with WYC and so that people get notice in advance so they can make plans ahead of time.

+1 although my preference is have a separate amount for alt cons.

Ed


I'm curious why either of you would prefer a solution of having zero XP available at WYC or GHC over allowing them to contribute to the 4K cap. It is the exact solution that True Dungeon has used in the past for XP at multiple conventions (GENCON Indy with GENCON SoCal and True Realm). Even if that isn't your preferred solution, it seems better than not allowing any XP at all at those conventions.



First of all, some of this depends on whether the WYC/GHC would be the exact same dungeons as GenCon or to what degree it reused older things. (For example, GenCon SoCal was the identical dungeon as GenCon Indy).

One of my concerns is whether it would de-emphasize the role and importance of GenCon Indy.

I'm curious why you wouldn't prefer the solution of having XP available at WYC or GHC only for players below a certain level. It is the exact solution that True Dungeon has used in the past for XP for True Dungeon Mini-Quest. Even if that isn't your preferred solution, it seems better than not allowing any XP at all at those conventions.


I'm curious why you think I would prefer zero XP at WYC or GHC over XP only for players below a certain level. I don't recall ever saying that. I don't see it as an ideal solution, or one really supported by precedent, because these are full size Dungeons with (supposedly) enough tickets for at least most people. The precedent of full size Dungeons at True Realm with GENCON seems directly applicable to these conventions. But, while I'd prefer letting them get XP at the same rate as GENCON and be able to be applied to the 4K cap, I would prefer letting them have XP just for players below a certain level to no XP at all.

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Missed GenCon, Game Hole Con exp for 2016? 7 years 6 months ago #258

Mike Steele wrote:

Incognito wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

MasterED wrote:

Incognito wrote: I'd personally rather have either WYC/Gamehole Con have zero XP OR for them to provide a separate amount of XP (raising the cap).

Regardless of the long-term policy, I definitely do not think this Gamehole Con should have XP in order to be consistent with WYC and so that people get notice in advance so they can make plans ahead of time.

+1 although my preference is have a separate amount for alt cons.

Ed


I'm curious why either of you would prefer a solution of having zero XP available at WYC or GHC over allowing them to contribute to the 4K cap. It is the exact solution that True Dungeon has used in the past for XP at multiple conventions (GENCON Indy with GENCON SoCal and True Realm). Even if that isn't your preferred solution, it seems better than not allowing any XP at all at those conventions.



First of all, some of this depends on whether the WYC/GHC would be the exact same dungeons as GenCon or to what degree it reused older things. (For example, GenCon SoCal was the identical dungeon as GenCon Indy).

One of my concerns is whether it would de-emphasize the role and importance of GenCon Indy.

I'm curious why you wouldn't prefer the solution of having XP available at WYC or GHC only for players below a certain level. It is the exact solution that True Dungeon has used in the past for XP for True Dungeon Mini-Quest. Even if that isn't your preferred solution, it seems better than not allowing any XP at all at those conventions.


I'm curious why you think I would prefer zero XP at WYC or GHC over XP only for players below a certain level. I don't recall ever saying that. I don't see it as an ideal solution, or one really supported by precedent, because these are full size Dungeons with (supposedly) enough tickets for at least most people. The precedent of full size Dungeons at True Realm with GENCON seems directly applicable to these conventions. But, while I'd prefer letting them get XP at the same rate as GENCON and be able to be applied to the 4K cap, I would prefer letting them have XP just for players below a certain level to no XP at all.


I wasn't assuming your preferences.

I was just using the grammatical structure of your previous post and that was the way it was worded.

If you prefer, think of it as me asking you if you'd be okay with the XP for players below a certain level.

Regarding some of your other points:

- In the early years of True Dungeon, as well as True Heroes, there weren't enough tickets for most people. Tickets were in short supply.

- True Heroes was apparently only 4 (2005) or 6 (2004) rooms. So there was full XP even when it was not a full size dungeon.

Also, you might have missed it cause you were responding to it, but in my previous post I also added a question about having XP for True Grind, using True Heroes as a precedent.

Furthermore, what do you think about more "catchup XP" for Golden Ticket players, since there is already a precedent for that too? Heck, maybe they should retroactively add XP to that horrendous True Brawl event.... ;)

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Missed GenCon, Game Hole Con exp for 2016? 7 years 6 months ago #259

Incognito wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Incognito wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

MasterED wrote:

Incognito wrote: I'd personally rather have either WYC/Gamehole Con have zero XP OR for them to provide a separate amount of XP (raising the cap).

Regardless of the long-term policy, I definitely do not think this Gamehole Con should have XP in order to be consistent with WYC and so that people get notice in advance so they can make plans ahead of time.

+1 although my preference is have a separate amount for alt cons.

Ed


I'm curious why either of you would prefer a solution of having zero XP available at WYC or GHC over allowing them to contribute to the 4K cap. It is the exact solution that True Dungeon has used in the past for XP at multiple conventions (GENCON Indy with GENCON SoCal and True Realm). Even if that isn't your preferred solution, it seems better than not allowing any XP at all at those conventions.



First of all, some of this depends on whether the WYC/GHC would be the exact same dungeons as GenCon or to what degree it reused older things. (For example, GenCon SoCal was the identical dungeon as GenCon Indy).

One of my concerns is whether it would de-emphasize the role and importance of GenCon Indy.

I'm curious why you wouldn't prefer the solution of having XP available at WYC or GHC only for players below a certain level. It is the exact solution that True Dungeon has used in the past for XP for True Dungeon Mini-Quest. Even if that isn't your preferred solution, it seems better than not allowing any XP at all at those conventions.


I'm curious why you think I would prefer zero XP at WYC or GHC over XP only for players below a certain level. I don't recall ever saying that. I don't see it as an ideal solution, or one really supported by precedent, because these are full size Dungeons with (supposedly) enough tickets for at least most people. The precedent of full size Dungeons at True Realm with GENCON seems directly applicable to these conventions. But, while I'd prefer letting them get XP at the same rate as GENCON and be able to be applied to the 4K cap, I would prefer letting them have XP just for players below a certain level to no XP at all.


I wasn't assuming your preferences.

I was just using the grammatical structure of your previous post and that was the way it was worded.

If you prefer, think of it as me asking you if you'd be okay with the XP for players below a certain level.

Regarding some of your other points:

- In the early years of True Dungeon, as well as True Heroes, there weren't enough tickets for most people. Tickets were in short supply.

- True Heroes was apparently only 4 (2005) or 6 (2004) rooms. So there was full XP even when it was not a full size dungeon.

Also, you might have missed it cause you were responding to it, but in my previous post I also added a question about having XP for True Grind, using True Heroes as a precedent.

Furthermore, what do you think about more "catchup XP" for Golden Ticket players, since there is already a precedent for that too? Heck, maybe they should retroactively add XP to that horrendous True Brawl event.... ;)


The grammatical structure was correct in your case, because I didn't assume your preferences, you stated them directly in the post that I was quoting.

I've said what my preferred solution is, I accept that your preferred solution is different. As I said, I'd be OK with XP to players below a certain level, although it's not my preferred solution. Although, if Jeff thought that giving full XP at WYC or GHC was damaging to True Dungeon or ticket sales at GENCON, then it would become my preferred solution. Unless Jeff thought even that was possibly harmful, in which case my preferred solution would be to go back to 0 XP.

A totally out-of-the-box solution that I don't think has been mentioned (although since we're past Post #250 it could have been) would be to have a separate track of XP for GHC and WYC. Maybe they would be starting at level 1 as of next year, tracked separately from GENCON. I do see the logistical problems with that, but it would help those that feel they are so far behind on GENCON XP, and maybe it would help drive attendance at those conventions without taking away at GENCON.

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Missed GenCon, Game Hole Con exp for 2016? 7 years 6 months ago #260

I'd be against True Grind getting XP now, because the amount of tickets available is so much smaller than the number of players that would want to get the XP. I don't think True Heroes is a good comparison, because back then the player base for both True Dungeon and True Heroes was so much smaller. I think if something like True Heroes were done today, with a similar amount of tickets, it wouldn't count towards XP.

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Missed GenCon, Game Hole Con exp for 2016? 7 years 6 months ago #261

Mike Steele wrote: I'd be against True Grind getting XP now, because the amount of tickets available is so much smaller than the number of players that would want to get the XP. I don't think True Heroes is a good comparison, because back then the player base for both True Dungeon and True Heroes was so much smaller. I think if something like True Heroes were done today, with a similar amount of tickets, it wouldn't count towards XP.


So are you also against any XP (including catch-up XP) for Golden Ticket events, given that there are even fewer available Golden Tickets? (Despite there being precedence for XP available at a GT event).

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Missed GenCon, Game Hole Con exp for 2016? 7 years 6 months ago #262

Incognito wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: I'd be against True Grind getting XP now, because the amount of tickets available is so much smaller than the number of players that would want to get the XP. I don't think True Heroes is a good comparison, because back then the player base for both True Dungeon and True Heroes was so much smaller. I think if something like True Heroes were done today, with a similar amount of tickets, it wouldn't count towards XP.


So are you also against any XP (including catch-up XP) for Golden Ticket events, given that there are even fewer available Golden Tickets? (Despite there being precedence for XP available at a GT event).


Yes, I'm also not in favor of XP at Golden Ticket events. I'm not in favor of "catch-up" XP in general, except perhaps for something like WYC with a cap on the level under which it could be gained (I think 3rd Level is what was stated in the past).

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Missed GenCon, Game Hole Con exp for 2016? 7 years 6 months ago #263

If someone gets xp from a Golden Ticket run, they aren't going to get more xp for doing the same track? At least without finishing more rooms or playing a higher difficulty, right?

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Missed GenCon, Game Hole Con exp for 2016? 7 years 6 months ago #264

balthasar wrote: If someone gets xp from a Golden Ticket run, they aren't going to get more xp for doing the same track? At least without finishing more rooms or playing a higher difficulty, right?


I'm not referring to standard XP that you get from completing a run (which happens to be a Golden Ticket run).

As you know, many (but not all) Golden Ticket events come with special, unique, or exclusive features. In the past, there has been at least one case which essentially granted a significant amount of "catch-up XP."

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