TOPIC: Missed GenCon, Game Hole Con exp for 2016?

Picc wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Picc wrote:

jedibcg wrote: I thought, maybe wrongly, retro dungeons do not give xp. If there are ever new dungeons at other cons then maybe (big maybe) they will.

If thats the case (which I doubt) Jeff needs to let us know asap so those of us who care about xp can frantically change our plans.

Change plans how. GHC is retro dungeons. There has never been any announcements about xp at GHC or WYC.

Change plans as in there are probably some people who arent going to be able to make a 3rd con this year who might suddenly have to figure out how to pull together the money to make it happen if XP was on the line.

Honestly Im already a little bummed GHC is going to be offering a second dungeon after we were told earlier it would have the same redux dungeon as WYC. And for the contrarions, yes while it was never explicitly stated that was all it would have, it was heavily implied both cons would in effect be the same. Im sure travel budgets besided my own were allocated based on this understanding.

But there isn't XP on the line. So why would Jeff need to let you know asap. That is what I am questioning.

Regarding experience, My though would be to hand out the same exp cards/codes as gencon. Declare that Deeperdark Redux = Into the Deeperdark. Underdark Awaits = Behold her Majesty. That way there is no way to duplicate/receive more than 4k experience and also only from hardcore/nightmare runs. However, it also allows players who miss gencon to keep up exp wise, or say you could only pug normal mode at Gencon but can Hardcore/Nightmare GHC/WYC you can get the bonus. It also then can log runs for the people who like every run they are on listed regardless of EXP.

MetaphoricDragon wrote: Regarding experience, My though would be to hand out the same exp cards/codes as gencon. Declare that Deeperdark Redux = Into the Deeperdark. Underdark Awaits = Behold her Majesty. That way there is no way to duplicate/receive more than 4k experience and also only from hardcore/nightmare runs. However, it also allows players who miss gencon to keep up exp wise, or say you could only pug normal mode at Gencon but can Hardcore/Nightmare GHC/WYC you can get the bonus. It also then can log runs for the people who like every run they are on listed regardless of EXP.

Not a bad idea. It wouldn't exactly let you log them as you ran them though. They would be listed as Into the Deeperdark and Behold her Majesty.

Unless WYC gets more room it would become the dwarf event (not saying it shouldn't) but you would only be able to get xp for 1 dungeon? And which dungeon would it be? I imagine Jeff might do Underdark Awaits at WYC 2017 or something new (but still a retro). Which dungeon should it count for? Just asking the questions still think this is not a bad idea.

jedibcg wrote:

Picc wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Picc wrote:

jedibcg wrote: I thought, maybe wrongly, retro dungeons do not give xp. If there are ever new dungeons at other cons then maybe (big maybe) they will.

If thats the case (which I doubt) Jeff needs to let us know asap so those of us who care about xp can frantically change our plans.

Change plans how. GHC is retro dungeons. There has never been any announcements about xp at GHC or WYC.

Change plans as in there are probably some people who arent going to be able to make a 3rd con this year who might suddenly have to figure out how to pull together the money to make it happen if XP was on the line.

Honestly Im already a little bummed GHC is going to be offering a second dungeon after we were told earlier it would have the same redux dungeon as WYC. And for the contrarions, yes while it was never explicitly stated that was all it would have, it was heavily implied both cons would in effect be the same. Im sure travel budgets besided my own were allocated based on this understanding.

But there isn't XP on the line. So why would Jeff need to let you know asap. That is what I am questioning.

No xp = fine. No notification needed.

IF XP had been put on the table, I would want to know as soon as possible.

Picc wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Picc wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Picc wrote:

jedibcg wrote: I thought, maybe wrongly, retro dungeons do not give xp. If there are ever new dungeons at other cons then maybe (big maybe) they will.

If thats the case (which I doubt) Jeff needs to let us know asap so those of us who care about xp can frantically change our plans.

Change plans how. GHC is retro dungeons. There has never been any announcements about xp at GHC or WYC.

Change plans as in there are probably some people who arent going to be able to make a 3rd con this year who might suddenly have to figure out how to pull together the money to make it happen if XP was on the line.

Honestly Im already a little bummed GHC is going to be offering a second dungeon after we were told earlier it would have the same redux dungeon as WYC. And for the contrarions, yes while it was never explicitly stated that was all it would have, it was heavily implied both cons would in effect be the same. Im sure travel budgets besided my own were allocated based on this understanding.

But there isn't XP on the line. So why would Jeff need to let you know asap. That is what I am questioning.

No xp = fine. No notification needed.

IF XP had been put on the table, I would want to know as soon as possible.

Fair enough.

jedibcg wrote:

MetaphoricDragon wrote: Regarding experience, My though would be to hand out the same exp cards/codes as gencon. Declare that Deeperdark Redux = Into the Deeperdark. Underdark Awaits = Behold her Majesty. That way there is no way to duplicate/receive more than 4k experience and also only from hardcore/nightmare runs. However, it also allows players who miss gencon to keep up exp wise, or say you could only pug normal mode at Gencon but can Hardcore/Nightmare GHC/WYC you can get the bonus. It also then can log runs for the people who like every run they are on listed regardless of EXP.

Not a bad idea. It wouldn't exactly let you log them as you ran them though. They would be listed as Into the Deeperdark and Behold her Majesty.

Unless WYC gets more room it would become the dwarf event (not saying it shouldn't) but you would only be able to get xp for 1 dungeon? And which dungeon would it be? I imagine Jeff might do Underdark Awaits at WYC 2017 or something new (but still a retro). Which dungeon should it count for? Just asking the questions still think this is not a bad idea.

I can't speak fully for WYC, maybe Jeff plans to expand that one too. If so, it would be cool if WYC was say 2017ReduxA/2016ReduxB and GHC was 2017ReduxA and 2017ReduxB. That way each side con debuts a new dungeon design.

In my mind, the TD new years eve is gencon, so gencon 2016, GHC 2016, and WYC 2017 would be the same exp.

MetaphoricDragon wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

MetaphoricDragon wrote: Regarding experience, My though would be to hand out the same exp cards/codes as gencon. Declare that Deeperdark Redux = Into the Deeperdark. Underdark Awaits = Behold her Majesty. That way there is no way to duplicate/receive more than 4k experience and also only from hardcore/nightmare runs. However, it also allows players who miss gencon to keep up exp wise, or say you could only pug normal mode at Gencon but can Hardcore/Nightmare GHC/WYC you can get the bonus. It also then can log runs for the people who like every run they are on listed regardless of EXP.

Not a bad idea. It wouldn't exactly let you log them as you ran them though. They would be listed as Into the Deeperdark and Behold her Majesty.

Unless WYC gets more room it would become the dwarf event (not saying it shouldn't) but you would only be able to get xp for 1 dungeon? And which dungeon would it be? I imagine Jeff might do Underdark Awaits at WYC 2017 or something new (but still a retro). Which dungeon should it count for? Just asking the questions still think this is not a bad idea.

I can't speak fully for WYC, maybe Jeff plans to expand that one too. If so, it would be cool if WYC was say 2017ReduxA/2016ReduxB and GHC was 2017ReduxA and 2017ReduxB. That way each side con debuts a new dungeon design.

In my mind, the TD new years eve is gencon, so gencon 2016, GHC 2016, and WYC 2017 would be the same exp.

I could be mistaken, but I don't think WYC has the room to expand another full dungeon at this time or anytime in the near future. Again I don't know but I don't know where the hotel could house another dungeon. I would agree with your cycle. GC would start it and WYC would end it (with only the 3 conventions). I just don't know how you would handle WYC if it only had 1 dungeon.

I have always liked the idea that you could get XP from dungeons at WYC and now GHC but thought that we would need to cap it as people have said. 2 dungeons worth of XP, and capped at 4k a year. That way if TD starts becoming a 5-6 CON event with 1 or 2 dungeons per event, people can attend the CONs they can and still get XP. 1 of the big events or 2 of the smaller events.

Just my .02.

FiannaTiger wrote: I have always liked the idea that you could get XP from dungeons at WYC and now GHC but thought that we would need to cap it as people have said. 2 dungeons worth of XP, and capped at 4k a year. That way if TD starts becoming a 5-6 CON event with 1 or 2 dungeons per event, people can attend the CONs they can and still get XP. 1 of the big events or 2 of the smaller events.

Just my .02.

I agree if they are the same dungeons or retro dungeons. However if we ever get to the point of 5-6 Cons and more than 2 new events then I think XP should be available to all new events to any and all that are fortunate to play in them.

I respect that there are those that have been playing longer, I think they should respect those that play more new unique events. We are not there, we may never be there, but just my two cents. I would even say that these theoritical new events if not at Gen Con could give less XP, but they should be worth sometime.

Lady Brittany wrote: When I went to WYC this year I was not aware of the no exp until I did my first run and didn't receive exp. As someone who had never done a single one of those puzzles or combats I was saddened that my efforts would not help me reach level 5 (I very much want a token of nobility) I think that earnin exp for the retro dungeons once is a good idea, especially for newer players who have never done those rooms before. I am pretty sure ghc will also not reward exp, but now I know that is the norm. If they start doing it next year you could code the xp based on what year the room is from.

Heres what I mean: each year when you imputed xp you say what story you did and where you survived to. So if you die in the 7th room on puzzle side you haven't solved that puzzle right. So you could code the xp for each room based on what year it was from so room one is 2007 room 2 is 2011 room 3 is 2008 and so on. Then you can earn exp based on which rooms you haven't seen. So me starting next year I've never seen anyone before 2015 so I would earn exp for each room. But someone who played every year except 2011 would earn only the exp for that room. So it's still balanced between the players new and old. This wat they can rotate the rooms out more and offer more retro dungeons from more years to kep things interesting for the old players but also show the new players what the dungeons were like in past years and the exp get a little more even but not so much that I'll catch up in the span of a year to everyone who has been doing this since the beginning.

I'm not sure if any of this is even pausible but it is an idea that I think could work and still make everyone happy. I know some people go to wyc for the treasure and transmutes to have a better chance at genconand have more time to visit with everyone since it is a much smaller con. I hope this is the same for ghc when I go later this year!

Too complicated.

The only thing that could happen is a max XP per year.
If you get it at GC. Or split it between WYC and GHC Or combination.
The XP top 50 would argue of people being able to catch up

Just adding my two cents and I'm not sure they're worth that.

I think it would be good to offer XP for running at GHC or WYC. Not just for people who can't get to Gen Con, but also to attract more people into the True Dungeon community. Some people could care less about XP and some people really care a lot. This would appeal to the latter group. I also think running at GHC and WYC does make you more experienced as a player and getting XP would reflect that.

I still like the feeling though that Gen Con is the premiere event and if you want to ascend to the top of the player list there is no complete substitute to Gen Con. So I'm not generally in favor of letting people recover all 4000 pts through other cons.

I do like the 4000xp cap per year per player. And this should satisfy the top 50 who don't have to worry about attending all three events to maintain their status. Although keep in mind that newer players are probably put off by the notion that they can never crack the top 50 until some of the people on that list quit the game (something none of us want).

The options I see it are:
1. Status Quo - No XP for GHC or WYC.
2a. Allow full XP for GHC or WYC dungeons up to a maximum of 4000 per player per year.
2b. Allow full XP for GHC or WYC dungeons up to a maximum of 4000 per player per year, but only if a player is below a certain level (i.e. player is not yet at 5th level, 3rd level, or ???)
3a. Allow reduced XP for GHC or WYC to a maximum of 4000 per player per year.
3b. Allow reduced XP for GHC or WYC to a maximum of 4000 per player per year, but only if a player is below a certain level.
4. Allow full or reduced XP for GHC or WYC that allows players to exceed the 4000 per player per year cap.

I'm more in the camp of option 1 or option 3a. But that's my opinion. I do think options 2b and 3b would likely be more difficult to administer because it adds the step of verifying a players current level.

I also like the idea of being able to track the run in my history, even if I don't get any extra XP for it.

I don't like the b options. If those at the top are protected with a cap of any kind, those below whatever that level should be too. Just my two cents. Not saying I am against a cap.