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In 2013 our plans call for us to add an additional adventure to the event. There will be two consecutive adventure modules, and each module will have two variations of either a combat or puzzle orientation. The first module called “Lycans Afoot” tasks the party to travel through a dark forest in search of a tower, while the second module called “Golembane” challenges the party to reach the top of tower.

TOPIC: Will runs shorted completion tokens get those ?

Re: Will runs shorted completion tokens get those ? 10 years 7 months ago #25

valetutto wrote: Trying to shoehorn people into a particular reward because of the ticket they bought adds a level of complication that doesn't need to be there.

If the changes you suggest were made, imagine how many folks will post pissed off they didn't get the difficulty of the run they were after. LOTs more will be pissed than are currently upset.

I feel trying to keep track of what difficulty everyone is switching to is way more complicated, as evidenced by the problems we had. Giving people exactly what they signed up for seems much simpler to me. And I don't see how people could get upset about getting exactly what they signed up for.

I know it'd be difficult to have set tickets/slots for each difficulty, as you would inevitably misjudge the number of runs of each difficulty to have. But you could make such slots and still allow changes in difficulty if those are unanimous. This would allow a much more accurate estimation of how many completion tokens of each type you would need.

Whether that system or simply over-printing extra thousands of copies of every reward token is the better way to go would depend on many factors most of us are not privy to. Only Jeff knows. :)

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Re: Will runs shorted completion tokens get those ? 10 years 7 months ago #26

Correct me if i'm wrong but this is the first year I can remember were running out of completion tokens was an issue. Every year they've tried to run-type-restrict there has been an outcry of too many or too few and every year there are people complaining they can't get the runs they want. Adding more of that is just not cool.

Sure people could change their run with your method but they wouldn't end up getting the reward they would expect, which was the rare token. Then explaining to them that even though they changed their run via unamious decision they weren't going to get a better completion tokens is just hours of arguments waiting to happen. Way more unhappy feelings then happened this year.

Producing more tokens is the simple easy answer. Don't scrap the system just because you miscount once.

Figuring quantities is something every vendor does. I know when I was selling tshirts I had to guess what sizes I would need. Sometimes I'd get it right and sometimes I wouldn't but after a few years you figure it out.
Your method would be more akin to posting a sign that says "selling XLs at 3pm be there or miss out"
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Re: Will runs shorted completion tokens get those ? 10 years 7 months ago #27

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: i didnt get one either, but They ran out. Did not print extra, So We are SOL

next year, I just plan to have all my runs completed before saturday night


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Re: Will runs shorted completion tokens get those ? 10 years 7 months ago #28

valetutto wrote: Producing more tokens is the simple easy answer. Don't scrap the system just because you miscount once.

Figuring quantities is something every vendor does. I know when I was selling tshirts I had to guess what sizes I would need. Sometimes I'd get it right and sometimes I wouldn't but after a few years you figure it out.
Your method would be more akin to posting a sign that says "selling XLs at 3pm be there or miss out"

I never denied that printing more tokens would be easier, nor do I think my method is superior in and of itself.

I'm suggesting that it might not as simple as "print more tokens" from Jeff's end of things. We have the current situation for a reason, which may not be obvious from our perspective. How many thousands of extra completion tokens would he have to print to be able to cover any situation? How many will he be left over with (tokens that will presumably be harder for him to get rid of without upsetting the players, being a completion token)? Does he have to have only and/or at least X number of each type due to some requirement from the manufacturer? He might learn through feedback what would be a better mix of each token, but how does that fit in with manufacturing, storage, and logistics?

There is a reason they ran out of tokens this year. There is a reason they didn't simply print 8,000 copies of each one and instead tried to gauge the market. Without knowing more (or hearing any actual word from Jeff) I just think it's unfair to be upset about them running out of "promised" tokens, especially since from my perspective I don't think anything was really promised.

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Re: Will runs shorted completion tokens get those ? 10 years 7 months ago #29

Just to chime in on this topic, since I worked the Experience Desk, too. :sick: With Jeff's approval, if the Experience Desk runs out of Completion tokens, then the player will be awarded an additional treasure draw token(s). Would that work? Not a perfect solution, but players would feel less "shafted"? Just a thought. :?
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Re: Will runs shorted completion tokens get those ? 10 years 7 months ago #30

Dennis Burdick wrote: Just to chime in on this topic, since I worked the Experience Desk, too. :sick: With Jeff's approval, if the Experience Desk runs out of Completion tokens, then the player will be awarded an additional treasure draw token(s). Would that work? Not a perfect solution, but players would feel less "shafted"? Just a thought. :?

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Re: Will runs shorted completion tokens get those ? 10 years 7 months ago #31

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lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

Dennis Burdick wrote: Just to chime in on this topic, since I worked the Experience Desk, too. :sick: With Jeff's approval, if the Experience Desk runs out of Completion tokens, then the player will be awarded an additional treasure draw token(s). Would that work? Not a perfect solution, but players would feel less "shafted"? Just a thought. :?

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Re: Will runs shorted completion tokens get those ? 10 years 7 months ago #32

bpsymington wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

Dennis Burdick wrote: Just to chime in on this topic, since I worked the Experience Desk, too. :sick: With Jeff's approval, if the Experience Desk runs out of Completion tokens, then the player will be awarded an additional treasure draw token(s). Would that work? Not a perfect solution, but players would feel less "shafted"? Just a thought. :?

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Re: Will runs shorted completion tokens get those ? 10 years 7 months ago #33

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In fairness I don't think anyone walked away with nothing. I heard they were giving out completion tokens from the other dungeon for example. I could be wrong but I'd be very surprised if anyone was sent away truly empty handed.
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Re: Will runs shorted completion tokens get those ? 10 years 6 months ago #34

Garrison wrote: How is this line of reasoning "patently false"?

If the game would work better where any slot can easily become any difficulty, fine. But that is not the system currently in place.


Simply because it is. Only the designated runs cannot run lower, which might be why they are called designated runs. The idea that only those runs are entitled to the rewards advertised for a difficulty literally makes a joke of itself. Congratulations.

Actually, the system where ant slot can be any difficulty IS THE SYSTEM In place, EXCEPT designated runs.

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Re: Will runs shorted completion tokens get those ? 10 years 6 months ago #35

The thing is we did a Saturday Golembane slot, which is the first slot my group could find for that particular dungeon. It was morning, and they were out. The staff said they had run out of the Ioun Stone basically Thursday/Friday because of all the nightmare runs. If what TD staff said was true, they ran out of tokens EXTREMELY early. Now we did walk away with the green Ioun stone, but we were trying to get a full set of the Completion tokens. Printing a lot more might not solve the problem, but printing more might delay the problem till later. Past Thursday or Friday at least. Because we are now all going to be fighting each other tooth and nail for Thursday slots.

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Re: Will runs shorted completion tokens get those ? 10 years 6 months ago #36

Well it was just the Ioun that they ran out of. They still had the Lycan Red belt on Sunday. We ran hardcore then and received them so there is something different about the Golembane that made more people run that Hardcore or higher. That or they didn't print the same number of each.
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