TOPIC: Arcane Recipe <=Artifact Creation Token

This is pretty sweet - wonder what kind of artifact smak will create with his!  Here's my idea:<br /><br />Wand of Wonder - unlimited charges, but can only be used once per run.  Allows wizard to cast any spell on any player character card.<br />

Maybe I'll get lucky and every recipe will require a scroll of haste. I've been hoping to uptrade that into something. Or, if I happen to draw one of these suckers, I figure that will end up being my super rare OOP burner. Something 'o speed.

I can not imagine asking for a scroll of light, but Jeff might just be that devious.  I can not think of many who would give one up.<br /><br />I think the idea was that first you have to get an arcane recipe token.  I do not believe they expire, so you could wait as long as you wanted to make your token, but you would have to turn it in by the due date to have it made for any particular year.<br /><br />The second part is the negotiation based on what special token you would want to make, so the more powerful (within limits) the more costly.  <br /><br />You are correct, Henry that if the bidding goes up high enough, an individual winner may not have the additional resources to make the token that year.  So letting the bidding go high might cause a problem if the recipe requires another 20K gold.<br /><br />Of course you might have someone who finds one that may just want a "shiny title" which would, one assumes, be much easier to make than a +3 Mace of St. Gearon...<br /><br />

hmmmmmm. Ever Full Coin Pouch?  grants holder unlimited funds as long as you are willing to pay for everything in copper.  :|

This is a good idea as long as boundaries remain intact. It seems like they will.

Gearon is far from ever being a Saint!  (winks to all the ladies!!!) ...But a +3 mace would be nice.<br /><br />I guess I would throw my hat into the ring and bid in the auction (MAYBE)...but pitting players with GP against those that don't have as much GP is not something I really enjoy.  It's like being a Magic CCG player with Power Nine VS someone who started at 4th edition...just not all that fair or fun IMO. (((and I would have very mixed emotions to see the item won by a re-seller...I know at the end of the day funds find their way to TD, but it can't be 100% now can it?)))<br /><br />I do appreciate that this could take some major GP out of the market, and the whole artifact/relic thing is pretty geeky-cool.  <br /><br />Let's see how it goes!  Boundaries are key indeed!

<br />I guess I would throw my hat into the ring and bid in the auction (MAYBE)...but pitting players with GP against those that don't have as much GP is not something I really enjoy.  It's like being a Magic CCG player with Power Nine VS someone who started at 4th edition...just not all that fair or fun IMO.<br />

<br /><br />I think this may be Jeff's way of rewarding (1) those players who have been with TD for the long run and (2) those who have supported TD with large infusions of cash.  Those are the two groups that are most likely able to put together the funds and items needed to buy and build the artifacts.<br /><br />As a long-time gamer, I appreciate it when a company rewards those who have been a solid base of support and have given it a chance to survive and prosper.  I wish more of the games I've been involved with had done that.  [Side note: Precedence Entertainment was good to its long-time players.]  However, I agree with the other TD newbies that it's no fun watching the rich get richer, as it were.  I think Magic: The Gathering suffers from this, as there is limited enjoyment in watching the guy who can afford to buy the best cards wins yet another rare/limited card at yet another tournament.  That being said, however, I'm going to side with TPTB in this case; it makes sense to reward those who have supported you the longest and the most.

I can't see how comparing True Dungeon to MTG matters, as TD is not a competition.  Lets say I create a anklebracelet that lets me win the whole thing (I winz the interwebz!!!111!! )  <br /><br />What do I get?  A huge sense of pride in having the bestest item in the game that only cost me about 200k gp.  Having accomplished some odd scavenger hunt that Jeff dreams up (including an original Starscream transformer toy, various coins from around the world, and a pair of first class tickets for him and  his family to Hawaii for the week after Gencon   <br /><br />Overall, this is pretty cool because it lets the true addicts have at it for the coolest stuff.  Newbs like myself can think "Hey, maybe I can one day fight for one of these)<br /><br />Sure, I would love a +3 shuriken of life stealing, but hey, in time. 

such a cool idea.  and i hope to participate in this (i doubt this year, probably not even next, maybe the year after that i will save up enough).<br /><br />as for re-sellers buying one.  i doubt it.  any of the big items at TD auctions have gone for enough that i expect selling the GP spent would have made more money than re-auctioning the item for cash.<br />any guesses what you would expect these artifact creation tokens to go for?  all i can say is that i will ensure it is at least 11,000GP <br /><br />as for the disadvantage to the newer players; in magic they try to alleviate this with different formats and different types of tournaments (ie. new players probably shouldnt go to the competive type 1 $20 event to try and win a mox, there are free type 2 FNMs for them, or sealed and draft put everyone on equal footing).  in TD, i dont see this as being an issue because the main event isnt directly competitive with other players.  since these better items arent being used against the newer players, it is just a special thing for those lucky enough to get one.

No, the TD campaigns aren't competitive (although we've seen two groups working together, so, in the future, we could see two groups competing against each other, but that's a different tangent), but that's not where the competition would be.  The competition is in the bidding for the artifact tokens.  The people who will be competitive will have amassed their TD fortunes either through years of hoarding gold or from large infusions of cash to the TD coffers.  So what we'll see is the people who already have the best and coolest tokens getting another really good and cool token.  (Hence the analogy to M:tG.  And, by the way, it's not limited to Type I events; the player who can afford to buy the deck that works best in the current metagame is going to, generally, do well in all tournament types, right on down to Friday Night Magic.  I've seen it happen.)<br />Now, I will concede that in both games, this is going to matter mostly to collectors.  However, it could have an effect in the one player vs. player aspect of TD... if someone can build a Mug of the Titans, they are going to rule in the bar brawl!

Well - as far as new vs old True Dungeon token buyers - the big token buyers have dropped huge sums of GP in the auction in past years, so I'd bet if you were one of the biggest token buyers just this year, you'd have a shot at one, or at something else in the auction.  I have no problem with Jeff rewarding the big token buyers with an auction of cool stuff for them to spend all their GP on - which of course means they have to buy a ton of tokens the next year to replenish their stock!  It's a win-win situation for both True Dungeon and the token buyers.  And that's coming from someone that hasn't done the auctions yet - but I might this year  =)

I do understand the position of those who state that the rich get richer.<br />