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The value of Ultra Rare Tokens 18 years 7 months ago #25

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henry, only items with different attributes can stack in d20. For example, armor is considered an "armor" bonus, so it can stack with a ring of protection, as that is a "deflection" bonus. If you get barkskin cast on you, that counts as a "natural armor" bonus. Those all stack. However, two items that give you the same bonus (such as an "enhancement" bonus) don't stack. This is coded into NWN too - try it out and see.

Which is why Mage Armor (which counts as an "armor" bonus) shouldn't be stacking with armor in this game, but that's an error that hopefully will be corrected soon.


I know. Which is why it already dosen't make sense that bracers stack with normal armor. Both are armor bonuses. Ring is deflection and amulet is nat armor. And mage armor stacks with everything too including bracers and normal armor.

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The value of Ultra Rare Tokens 18 years 7 months ago #26

Which is why Mage Armor (which counts as an "armor" bonus) shouldn't be stacking with armor in this game, but that's an error that hopefully will be corrected soon.


I know. Which is why it already dosen't make sense that bracers stack with normal armor. Both are armor bonuses. Ring is deflection and amulet is nat armor. And mage armor stacks with everything too including bracers and normal armor.[/quote]

I agree with you here. Hell, to construct Bracers you need a mage armor spell - they are basically the same thing. These two errors are why the Bard gets the highest AC in the game (well, at least before the +9 plate came out).

Also, the Bard should only be able to wear a chain shirt (+4), not chain.

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The value of Ultra Rare Tokens 18 years 7 months ago #27

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Overall, I just don't see any real advantage to cleaving to 3.x rules to a degree that makes things more difficult than common sense. I mean, the point isn't actually to promote 3.x or anything. I figure as long as you can only have one of each body location and 2 rings, we're all set to go.

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The value of Ultra Rare Tokens 18 years 7 months ago #28

This same argument came up when we were trying to figure out of bracers and gauntlets stacked. Jeff said at the time that he needed to follow d20 rules whenever possible. Maybe it's part of the licencing agreement, I dunno. In which case it could be designed in part to promote 3.5.

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The value of Ultra Rare Tokens 18 years 7 months ago #29

Following the slot rules and allowing anything to stack is GOOD with me!
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The value of Ultra Rare Tokens 18 years 7 months ago #30

Agreed. These are pretty loose 3.x rules, so stacking all round as far as I'm concerned. Plus, it would be too difficult for every volunteer DM to keep track of what stacked and what didn't. Just not worth the effort in a game like this to differentiate. Especially if you have people playing that don't play 3.x. They would be confused as all get out.

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The value of Ultra Rare Tokens 18 years 7 months ago #31

Basically we went with the slot approach. Yes, that allows shields, bracers, armor, and spells to be stacked. Mage armor only applies to the caster. This was originally created for the Wizard, who can not wear armor, however, because the Bard can cast arcane scrolls, the bard can use it too. I guess it is one of the benefits of playing the bard.

As with everything we are trying to keep the complexity of the rules as simple as possible, given the circumstances. In a table top game of 3.5 the DM has the guide at hand and can stop at any time and check the rules anytime they want. (I am sure many of you have suffered through long game delays when the rules were referenced, questioned, or debated) Our DMs can not, they have 12 minutes to run a group through a room, run combat, heal, etc. and must rely on mostly memory to do all of this. The more complex the rules the less likely anything will get done.

While I am only speaking for myself here, I am sure that WOtC would want us to adhere to 3.5 rules strictly, I am also hopeful they will continue to understand that some exceptions are made where it will interfere with game play.

Please feel free to point out inconsistencies you find, but understand if we do not make a change, there may be other considerations.

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The value of Ultra Rare Tokens 18 years 7 months ago #32

So that means the Girdle and Gauntlets STACK for +5 strength...???

Yes/no?
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The value of Ultra Rare Tokens 18 years 7 months ago #33

I believe it does. Once I got both, I used it in Hardcore and that's how it worked out for me throughout. However, an official ruling would be nice.

I also thought that Bracers of Archery might be more useful if they also had their original ability to allow the wearer to use ANY ranged weapon regardless of class restrictions. This would make the heavy repeater much more useful.
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The value of Ultra Rare Tokens 18 years 7 months ago #34

So that means the Girdle and Gauntlets STACK for +5 strength...???

Yes/no?


I can check with Jeff, but I have not been given any indication why not.

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