TOPIC: Wizard to hit bonus with specific scroll or spell slide

Bob Chasan wrote:

Andrew Knoll wrote: DMG page 7, Ranged Attack Spells, paragraph 2:

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You may be looking at an older version of the DMG because
tokendb.com/token/charm-of-the-sage/

it's the version currently linked from the resources page.

There's also the ( Greater ) Arcane Scroll Tube . I put them (and the charm) into the category of "specific token effects override general rules." I'm pretty sure that's stated somewhere, but I can't find it at the moment.

Andrew Knoll wrote: "specific token effects override general rules." I'm pretty sure that's stated somewhere, but I can't find it at the moment.

PHB > Other Information of Note > Token Text Takes Precedence:
When the text on a token contradicts a general rule, go with what the token says. If you’re still not sure, look up the token on the TDb.

Druegar wrote:

Andrew Knoll wrote: "specific token effects override general rules." I'm pretty sure that's stated somewhere, but I can't find it at the moment.

PHB > Other Information of Note > Token Text Takes Precedence:
When the text on a token contradicts a general rule, go with what the token says. If you’re still not sure, look up the token on the TDb.

Wow learned something

And then there is the +2 to spell damage IF the spell is slide (Dracolich Charm). This isn't calculated on the spreadsheet so one has to remind the DM. How is one to remember all this?!

Donald Rients wrote: How is one to remember all this?!

Player's Handbook > Event Rules and Policies > Notes:
Players may not record any kind of notes, other than mental, during the adventure or in the training rooms.
Players may not consult notes that would allow them to cheat. E.g., if a wizard somehow managed to skirt the rules and took a photo of the planar chart, that player may not look at it in the dungeon.
However, if players want to bring in notes summarizing what powers their class can use or what perks their equipment grants, that’s perfectly fine. E.g., if a player running a cleric has note card that says, “Don’t forget about turn undead” or “your armor lets you regenerate 3 HP at the beginning of each room,” that’s not cheating and is permitted.

Some of the electronic character generators will assist you with this process.

Druegar wrote:

Donald Rients wrote: How is one to remember all this?!

Player's Handbook > Event Rules and Policies > Notes:
Players may not record any kind of notes, other than mental, during the adventure or in the training rooms.
Players may not consult notes that would allow them to cheat. E.g., if a wizard somehow managed to skirt the rules and took a photo of the planar chart, that player may not look at it in the dungeon.
However, if players want to bring in notes summarizing what powers their class can use or what perks their equipment grants, that’s perfectly fine. E.g., if a player running a cleric has note card that says, “Don’t forget about turn undead” or “your armor lets you regenerate 3 HP at the beginning of each room,” that’s not cheating and is permitted.

Some of the electronic character generators will assist you with this process.

Since it is kinda on topic regarding this post I will go ahead and ask it here. Lets say that I am the cleric. Is it ok for me to track the entire party’s hp on a piece of paper? Or what if I had ten fancy hp rings like those spiffy guys have? So I am not constantly asking everyone’s hp?

Is that a no-no?

jpotter wrote: Is it ok for me to track the entire party’s hp on a piece of paper?

Not An Official Proclamation:
I wouldn't have a problem with that. However, don't be surprised it you get major stink-eye from DMs because it will look like you're taking improper notes.
A ghost reminded me that note-taking in the dungeon is not permitted. So even though this is a benign note, you ought not do it.

jpotter wrote: Or what if I had ten fancy hp rings like those spiffy guys have?

OMG I love my life counter ring! That said, I can't imagine being able to function wearing ten of them. I guess I'm no Liberace...

Donald Rients wrote: And then there is the +2 to spell damage IF the spell is slide (Dracolich Charm). This isn't calculated on the spreadsheet so one has to remind the DM. How is one to remember all this?!

Draco-Lich claw charm doesn't effect spells.

Most things that affect spells don't effect scrolls (Charm of the Conducter, Arcane/Greater Arcane Scroll Tube, and Lenses of Divine Sight are the only things I can think or).

Matthew Hayward wrote:
Draco-Lich claw charm doesn't effect spells.

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Draco-Lich Claw Charm
On a successful hit with an attack slide (melee, ranged, or spell; so long as a slide is made), this Charm deals an additional +2 damage as Darkrift.

It doesn't say it on the token itself - have to check the TOKENDB to see that.

jpotter wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:
Draco-Lich claw charm doesn't effect spells.

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Draco-Lich Claw Charm
On a successful hit with an attack slide (melee, ranged, or spell; so long as a slide is made), this Charm deals an additional +2 damage as Darkrift.

WHAT?!?! I'm pretty sure that's stealth errata.

In any case, thanks for pointing it out to me!

IMO the tDB entry should really just be changed to say: "+2 to melee and ranged attacks (including spells)"

Matthew Hayward wrote:

jpotter wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:
Draco-Lich claw charm doesn't effect spells.

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Draco-Lich Claw Charm
On a successful hit with an attack slide (melee, ranged, or spell; so long as a slide is made), this Charm deals an additional +2 damage as Darkrift.

WHAT?!?! I'm pretty sure that's stealth errata.

In any case, thanks for pointing it out to me!

IMO the tDB entry should really just be changed to say: "+2 to melee and ranged attacks (including spells)"

That would be different though because not all spells are ranged.

"All spells requiring an attack slide are considered ranged attacks, unless specifically stated otherwise." from the phb

unless you meant ranged spells vs other type of spells (touch, aoe from self for example).

Druegar wrote:

jpotter wrote: Or what if I had ten fancy hp rings like those spiffy guys have?

OMG I love my life counter ring! That said, I can't imagine being able to function wearing ten of them. I guess I'm no Liberace...

You'd really need 20, for current and max HP for each.....