TOPIC: Question about Legendary Transmutes and Reprints

So a discuss for the 2020 tokens resolves around being able to you a reprint for an older transmute legendary. I had thought we haven't had to cross this bridge yet. Because all UR reprints have done the same year as the Legendary. Which as far as I can tell is true. We haven't reprinted a UR that was an ingredient after the year a Legendary came out. However I just realized we have done that with a rare.

Pharacus' Greater Cloak of Destiny (2013)
requires Ring of Iron Will (which was reprinted in last year).

So can the 2019 ring be used in the recipe? If so would that also mean if UR was reprinted that was the ingredient of an older legendary would it also be usable for the transmute?

And many people are advocating for a reprint of Ring of Reflexes and/or Ring of Fortitude.

Both of which are components of the Cloak.

I should note that I don't care one way or the other, beyond I think we should know. I don't have ingredients to sell. I am not missing ingredients.

Most older legendary tokens don’t require as much as newer ones. Newer ones tend to require two Golden Fleeces and one or more additional UR tokens.

Is there a meaningful distinction between reprint rare tokens which are components versus UR tokens?

Since the URs required are "any year" it would seem that it would be ok to use rates from any year.

I realize this is the first instance of anything, rare or UR, being reprinted once it became a legendary ingredient, so it is a question that needs an answer.

As for URs and lower reprints I could see as far as legendary recipes, but I think Jeff said he does not intend to reprint relics.

We may also see TD not reprints certain URs just to make it harder to get a legendary outside of the years its components were available.
Maybe even function reprints just to have a different name.

jedibcg wrote: I should note that I don't care one way or the other, beyond I think we should know. I don't have ingredients to sell. I am not missing ingredients.

Glad you brought this up.

IIRC: The stated purpose of Legendaries was that even players of modest means could take a year or two to make the relic, then spend a few years collecting the ingredients to upgrade it. Almost anyone could make one, given enough time! When all you needed to squirrel away was an extra rare, that was doable.

Then we started adding an extra UR or three to the mix. Suddenly, it’s not so easy. Legendaries have crept out of reach of our modest players.

I never thought it made sense to say a recipe was “timeless” when many of the ingredients were not. Okay, don’t reprint the relics, but just because we have or haven’t reprinted the others bits doesn’t mean it was a conscious decision. Maybe it just happened and we mistook it for a rule.

All of which is to say, I don’t have a problem with reprints of uncommons, rare, or even UR ingredients for legendaries. (Other than my general “no reprints period” stance which is never going to be implemented anyway.) In fact, as we make them more and more expensive, I think we almost have an obligation to. It’s just not reasonable, in my mind, to jump from “save an extra $5 token” to “save a few hundred upfront, or pay out the nose for them later.”

At the very least, modify the old recipes. e.g. allow Carter’s or Gregor’s to make Drake’s.

But that’s just me

Here are the Tokens used in Legendary recipes that have been reprinted, some more then once:

+1 Mighty Longbow
Bracers of Supreme Archery
Charm of Spell Swapping
Charm of Synergy
Cloak of Shadowskin
Lenses of Divine Sight
Questor's Charm of Luck
Belt of Ogre Power
Ioun Stone Beryl Prism
Ring of Fortitude
Ring of Iron Will
Ring of Protection +1
Ring of Reflexes
Scroll Cure Moderate Wounds

Rob F wrote: Here are the Tokens used in Legendary recipes that have been reprinted, some more then once:

+1 Mighty Longbow
Bracers of Supreme Archery
Charm of Spell Swapping
Charm of Synergy
Cloak of Shadowskin
Lenses of Divine Sight
Questor's Charm of Luck
Belt of Ogre Power
Ioun Stone Beryl Prism
Ring of Fortitude
Ring of Iron Will
Ring of Protection +1
Ring of Reflexes
Scroll Cure Moderate Wounds

It doesn’t look like TD has reprinted any UR on the list you provided since the year it was last used in a legendary recipe.
But some rares have been reprinted since the original legendary recipe.

So maybe rares are in bounds and URs are out of bounds for reprints

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Rob F wrote: Here are the Tokens used in Legendary recipes that have been reprinted, some more then once:

+1 Mighty Longbow
Bracers of Supreme Archery
Charm of Spell Swapping
Charm of Synergy
Cloak of Shadowskin
Lenses of Divine Sight
Questor's Charm of Luck
Belt of Ogre Power
Ioun Stone Beryl Prism
Ring of Fortitude
Ring of Iron Will
Ring of Protection +1
Ring of Reflexes
Scroll Cure Moderate Wounds

It doesn’t look like TD has reprinted any UR on the list you provided since the year it was last used in a legendary recipe.
But some rares have been reprinted since the original legendary recipe.

So maybe rares are in bounds and URs are out of bounds for reprints

It may just be that they haven't been reprinted yet. I don't recall anything being said about them being off-limits for reprinting. The only two URs from regular token sets that are truly off limits (on the "reserve" list) so far are HoP and AoTF.

Mike Steele wrote:

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Rob F wrote: Here are the Tokens used in Legendary recipes that have been reprinted, some more then once:

+1 Mighty Longbow
Bracers of Supreme Archery
Charm of Spell Swapping
Charm of Synergy
Cloak of Shadowskin
Lenses of Divine Sight
Questor's Charm of Luck
Belt of Ogre Power
Ioun Stone Beryl Prism
Ring of Fortitude
Ring of Iron Will
Ring of Protection +1
Ring of Reflexes
Scroll Cure Moderate Wounds

It doesn’t look like TD has reprinted any UR on the list you provided since the year it was last used in a legendary recipe.
But some rares have been reprinted since the original legendary recipe.

So maybe rares are in bounds and URs are out of bounds for reprints

It may just be that they haven't been reprinted yet. I don't recall anything being said about them being off-limits for reprinting. The only two URs from regular token sets that are truly off limits (on the "reserve" list) so far are HoP and AoTF.

+1

I think Jedi is looking for TPTB to formally state whether or not any future reprints of URs for recipes will be allowed in the recipe.

The reason for the question is it would be a shame if:

a. People lobbied to reprint UR X with the intention of using it in a transmute recipe.
b. UR X is reprinted, and people buy it with the intention of using it in a transmute recipe.
c. It is discovered that the reprint of UR X is not eligible for the recipe.

This would be a waste of a UR slot, and a regrettable purchase.

For my money, the answer should be 'yes.'