TOPIC: All this discussion means we did it, right?

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: I like the idea of the rod and the teeth both grand eldritch, and slotless. Makes them feel timeless.

Of course the teeth aren't discussed yet.

Since the teeth already have an announced special event as a bonus, I don't know that they need to do much other than give you the 5th piece benefit already announced - more heals and damage.

I think that is fair.

I hope they unlock psychic, but if they dont, they dont.

Yes, unlock psychic would be fine with me.

Although I anticipate hearing some say 'but that frees up an IS Slot, so it is OP."

Or shirt, or head, etc.

If it does, fine
If it doesn't, fine.

I'll be happy to make it either way.

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Or shirt, or head, etc.

If it does, fine
If it doesn't, fine.

I'll be happy to make it either way.

It wouldn't necessarily displace the shirt unless it also gave a second use of psychic.

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Or shirt, or head, etc.

If it does, fine
If it doesn't, fine.

I'll be happy to make it either way.

The teeth already unlock Tiers 1-7. Doesn’t seem unreasonable for the set to unlock Tier 0 as well.

People are going to be clamoring for it to do SOMETHING extra. Might as well be that.

To be honest, I’d kinda like to see “the Retainer of Cavadar.” The ingredients don’t include teeth, but text has “must equip Teeth 1-7.” It’ll make me sad to turn them in.

Maybe in addition to “The Grill of Cavadar,” that does require Teeth as an ingredient. I’d make one of each.

But we’ll see.

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Or shirt, or head, etc.

If it does, fine
If it doesn't, fine.

I'll be happy to make it either way.

The teeth already unlock Tiers 1-7. Doesn’t seem unreasonable for the set to unlock Tier 0 as well.

People are going to be clamoring for it to do SOMETHING extra. Might as well be that.

To be honest, I’d kinda like to see “the Retainer of Cavadar.” The ingredients don’t include teeth, but text has “must equip Teeth 1-7.” It’ll make me sad to turn them in.

Maybe in addition to “The Grill of Cavadar,” that does require Teeth as an ingredient. I’d make one of each.

But we’ll see.

How many 1st Tooth(s) do you guys think exist? I assume the game has grown a ton over the last 4 years.

And since all the 1st's had to be swapped for green back, I assume TPTB actually have a tally?

Arnold wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Or shirt, or head, etc.

If it does, fine
If it doesn't, fine.

I'll be happy to make it either way.

The teeth already unlock Tiers 1-7. Doesn’t seem unreasonable for the set to unlock Tier 0 as well.

People are going to be clamoring for it to do SOMETHING extra. Might as well be that.

To be honest, I’d kinda like to see “the Retainer of Cavadar.” The ingredients don’t include teeth, but text has “must equip Teeth 1-7.” It’ll make me sad to turn them in.

Maybe in addition to “The Grill of Cavadar,” that does require Teeth as an ingredient. I’d make one of each.

But we’ll see.

How many 1st Tooth(s) do you guys think exist? I assume the game has grown a ton over the last 4 years.

And since all the 1st's had to be swapped for green back, I assume TPTB actually have a tally?

I don't know about 1st teeth. But the registration system for TDC gave us some information. According to that, there were 53 patron badges out there in April 2017 . So 53 8K orders at the time. Or 400+ Third Tooth. Is that the number for First and Second Tooth as well? Who knows, but it does give a ballpark estimate of what is possible.

I have a Rod of Seven parts with a number in the low 200s. Its seems likely there will be more Dentures/Grills/Retainers than Rods.

Harlax wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Or shirt, or head, etc.

If it does, fine
If it doesn't, fine.

I'll be happy to make it either way.

The teeth already unlock Tiers 1-7. Doesn’t seem unreasonable for the set to unlock Tier 0 as well.

People are going to be clamoring for it to do SOMETHING extra. Might as well be that.

To be honest, I’d kinda like to see “the Retainer of Cavadar.” The ingredients don’t include teeth, but text has “must equip Teeth 1-7.” It’ll make me sad to turn them in.

Maybe in addition to “The Grill of Cavadar,” that does require Teeth as an ingredient. I’d make one of each.

But we’ll see.

How many 1st Tooth(s) do you guys think exist? I assume the game has grown a ton over the last 4 years.

And since all the 1st's had to be swapped for green back, I assume TPTB actually have a tally?

I don't know about 1st teeth. But the registration system for TDC gave us some information. According to that, there were 53 patron badges out there in April 2017 . So 53 8K orders at the time. Or 400+ Third Tooth. Is that the number for First and Second Tooth as well? Who knows, but it does give a ballpark estimate of what is possible.

I have a Rod of Seven parts with a number in the low 200s. Its seems likely there will be more Dentures/Grills/Retainers than Rods.

Third tooth numbers are probably higher than that, because there were probably a number of $1K + orders that didn't reach $8K. There might have been some Patron badges not used at TDC as well.

I do think the numbers have continued to rise each year, so I'm guessing the number of Tooth #1 tokens will be the limiting factor for the number of Eldritch tokens made.

Arnold wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Or shirt, or head, etc.

If it does, fine
If it doesn't, fine.

I'll be happy to make it either way.

The teeth already unlock Tiers 1-7. Doesn’t seem unreasonable for the set to unlock Tier 0 as well.

People are going to be clamoring for it to do SOMETHING extra. Might as well be that.

To be honest, I’d kinda like to see “the Retainer of Cavadar.” The ingredients don’t include teeth, but text has “must equip Teeth 1-7.” It’ll make me sad to turn them in.

Maybe in addition to “The Grill of Cavadar,” that does require Teeth as an ingredient. I’d make one of each.

But we’ll see.

How many 1st Tooth(s) do you guys think exist? I assume the game has grown a ton over the last 4 years.

And since all the 1st's had to be swapped for green back, I assume TPTB actually have a tally?

TPTB should have an exact tally of how many of each of the Tooth tokens are in circulation.

Mike Steele wrote:

Harlax wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Or shirt, or head, etc.

If it does, fine
If it doesn't, fine.

I'll be happy to make it either way.

The teeth already unlock Tiers 1-7. Doesn’t seem unreasonable for the set to unlock Tier 0 as well.

People are going to be clamoring for it to do SOMETHING extra. Might as well be that.

To be honest, I’d kinda like to see “the Retainer of Cavadar.” The ingredients don’t include teeth, but text has “must equip Teeth 1-7.” It’ll make me sad to turn them in.

Maybe in addition to “The Grill of Cavadar,” that does require Teeth as an ingredient. I’d make one of each.

But we’ll see.

How many 1st Tooth(s) do you guys think exist? I assume the game has grown a ton over the last 4 years.

And since all the 1st's had to be swapped for green back, I assume TPTB actually have a tally?

I don't know about 1st teeth. But the registration system for TDC gave us some information. According to that, there were 53 patron badges out there in April 2017 . So 53 8K orders at the time. Or 400+ Third Tooth. Is that the number for First and Second Tooth as well? Who knows, but it does give a ballpark estimate of what is possible.

I have a Rod of Seven parts with a number in the low 200s. Its seems likely there will be more Dentures/Grills/Retainers than Rods.

Third tooth numbers are probably higher than that, because there were probably a number of $1K + orders that didn't reach $8K. There might have been some Patron badges not used at TDC as well.

I do think the numbers have continued to rise each year, so I'm guessing the number of Tooth #1 tokens will be the limiting factor for the number of Eldritch tokens made.

Certainly higher than that. And there were probably 8 k orders that happened after TDC. 400+ is the floor, not the ceiling. I'm sure you are right about the 1st tooth being the ceiling.


This special event will be interesting if there are, say 400 or so people eligible to participate. Thats 40 runs that will have to happen somewhere.

Harlax wrote:

Raven wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: For a choice to be a choice, you have to have a choice.
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And every future Eldritch piece will be a non-choice, too, unless the set bonus caps at five.

Same thing for the class legendaries. All of them will lock up a slot, and that’s the opposite of choice.

It’s going to be a very difficult needle to thread, and I don’t have an answer.

I don't have any clear answers either... but a few thoughts on the matter.

The first is that class Legendaries will lock up a slot for that class... but there's the possibility of some other very interesting and powerful neck items coming out later.... perhaps something which isn't quite as good as any particular class legendary, but is more flexible and usable by more classes. It could be a good option for either someone who isn't locked into a specific class, or who missed the class Legendaries and wants to get in onthe next round of cool stuff.

The only trouble there, would be to find the sweet spot where a competing neck item wasn't better than the class Legendary... just different.

As for Eldritch BIS... I can think of a great Eldritch multi-year token which wouldn't necessarily lock up a slot. Make a 3-year set of PANTS. It would directly conflict with the Kilt. Have it be a set of pants which work off the new INT& WIS (& Cha) stats. If those stats do interesting things, we may be able to create an equally desirable Eldritch which causes some people to have Bead-Builds, or Tome Builds, while others are going old-school and focusing on STR or DEX builds.

It could work.... if the path was planned out well enough, and didn't succumb to pressure from throngs of people saying, "This token is too weak, because it's not clearly better than the Kilt."

Boots would also be a slot that would support an Eldritch item that would not be additive. Ring would not as equipping two is an option.

If stopping at 5 is a goal, then no more slotless Eldritch should follow the Teeth. Assuming they are slot less..

It could just be the set bonus that stops at 5. No need to stop to making more eldritch items. Although, it is an interesting idea to repeat the same slots. I would suggest that the repeats not start with the same slot that just finished.

Also, unless the eldritch items stop completely (i hope not), i expect another 7 year slotless grand eldritch after the teeth.

If the current sequence repeats:

Ring (SRoEC 2012) Four years
Slotless (RoSP 2014) Seven years
Feet (BotFW 2016) Four years
Legs (Kilt 2019) Three Years
Slotless (Dentures/Grill/Retainer 2021) Seven years.


But do we really want more slotless Eldritch items?


Two more Seven Year sequences? Its fun to contemplate another 14 years of TD.

Mike Steele wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote: Or shirt, or head, etc.

If it does, fine
If it doesn't, fine.

I'll be happy to make it either way.

The teeth already unlock Tiers 1-7. Doesn’t seem unreasonable for the set to unlock Tier 0 as well.

People are going to be clamoring for it to do SOMETHING extra. Might as well be that.

To be honest, I’d kinda like to see “the Retainer of Cavadar.” The ingredients don’t include teeth, but text has “must equip Teeth 1-7.” It’ll make me sad to turn them in.

Maybe in addition to “The Grill of Cavadar,” that does require Teeth as an ingredient. I’d make one of each.

But we’ll see.

How many 1st Tooth(s) do you guys think exist? I assume the game has grown a ton over the last 4 years.

And since all the 1st's had to be swapped for green back, I assume TPTB actually have a tally?

TPTB should have an exact tally of how many of each of the Tooth tokens are in circulation.

I'm very excited to have just picked up the 4th Tooth. I now have one of each. No psychic enabler in my build, but I'm just excited to hopefully attend the special event.