TOPIC: 2020 UR Token ideas

Since the 2019 tokens are in their "SUPER FINAL" stage, I thought I'd start the ball rolling on the 2020 cycle!

(A little tongue in cheek, but actually serves a purpose to make sure I don't forget things)

From other threads, I gathered this so far for "unofficially official" reprints:
Mad Evoker's Charm
Charm of Brooching

Both of these seem to be worthwhile to reprint, at least to me.

I would like to add in a new idea that was kicked around between my friend and myself. With the ever expanding charms (and the charming set last year), coupled with the class specific relics/legendaries taking the neck slot, a new charm expanding token would be ideal. Therefore, may I suggestion:

Belt of Charms:
May equip 3 additional charms

Additionally, this lends itself very easily to relic and legendary:
Relic: May equip 4 additional charms
Legendary: May equip 5 additional charms

Matt Goodman wrote: Since the 2019 tokens are in their "SUPER FINAL" stage, I thought I'd start the ball rolling on the 2020 cycle!

(A little tongue in cheek, but actually serves a purpose to make sure I don't forget things)

From other threads, I gathered this so far for "unofficially official" reprints:
Mad Evoker's Charm
Charm of Brooching

Both of these seem to be worthwhile to reprint, at least to me.

I would like to add in a new idea that was kicked around between my friend and myself. With the ever expanding charms (and the charming set last year), coupled with the class specific relics/legendaries taking the neck slot, a new charm expanding token would be ideal. Therefore, may I suggestion:

Belt of Charms:
May equip 3 additional charms

Additionally, this lends itself very easily to relic and legendary:
Relic: May equip 4 additional charms
Legendary: May equip 5 additional charms

I agree on those reprints likely coming.

I don't think we'll be seeing any legendary tokens except for class specific for the next 2 years. Jeff has said Barbarian, Monk and Paladin are coming next year I believe.

The UR you proposed is very interesting. Since the Charm necklace is +3 charms in the neck slot, which is generally considered "better" than the waist, it may be too good.
Would it be too weak at +2 charms, like the bracelets? I don't really know.

If we do slot expanders (which we should do VERY cautiously), I hope we expand Ioun Stones again.

I do not expect this to happen FWIW

Jeff made an enigmatic comment about MeC, which could reasonably be interpreted as an intent to reprint.

I don’t recall anyone official commenting on Charm of Brooching - so I wouldn’t get your hopes up there - although I’d support it as I did this year.

Speaking of charms, we really need better / more variety of charms at the rare and uncommon level. I would have already bought charm bracelets if doing so wouldn't be useless unless I also bought $400 in charms to go with it.

Suggestions:

uncommon charms:
+1 con, -2 AC
+1 dex, -2 HP
+1 ranged damage

Rare charms:
+4 will, -2 fort
+4 ref, -2 will
+4 fort, -2 ref
+3 damage with 2 handed weapon

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Matt Goodman wrote: Since the 2019 tokens are in their "SUPER FINAL" stage, I thought I'd start the ball rolling on the 2020 cycle!

(A little tongue in cheek, but actually serves a purpose to make sure I don't forget things)

From other threads, I gathered this so far for "unofficially official" reprints:
Mad Evoker's Charm
Charm of Brooching

Both of these seem to be worthwhile to reprint, at least to me.

I would like to add in a new idea that was kicked around between my friend and myself. With the ever expanding charms (and the charming set last year), coupled with the class specific relics/legendaries taking the neck slot, a new charm expanding token would be ideal. Therefore, may I suggestion:

Belt of Charms:
May equip 3 additional charms

Additionally, this lends itself very easily to relic and legendary:
Relic: May equip 4 additional charms
Legendary: May equip 5 additional charms

I agree on those reprints likely coming.

I don't think we'll be seeing any legendary tokens except for class specific for the next 2 years. Jeff has said Barbarian, Monk and Paladin are coming next year I believe.

The UR you proposed is very interesting. Since the Charm necklace is +3 charms in the neck slot, which is generally considered "better" than the waist, it may be too good.
Would it be too weak at +2 charms, like the bracelets? I don't really know.

If we do slot expanders (which we should do VERY cautiously), I hope we expand Ioun Stones again.

I do not expect this to happen FWIW

The three classes that were mentioned for next year are barbarian, monk, and ranger.
For those, keep in mind that what we have seen is a class item not in neck slot which is slightly underpower for UR, which can be used by other classes if appropriate. It then upgrades to a strong relic amulet special to that class.

Also, not sure if jeff intends to start another multi-year eldritch.

kurtreznor wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Matt Goodman wrote: Since the 2019 tokens are in their "SUPER FINAL" stage, I thought I'd start the ball rolling on the 2020 cycle!

(A little tongue in cheek, but actually serves a purpose to make sure I don't forget things)

From other threads, I gathered this so far for "unofficially official" reprints:
Mad Evoker's Charm
Charm of Brooching

Both of these seem to be worthwhile to reprint, at least to me.

I would like to add in a new idea that was kicked around between my friend and myself. With the ever expanding charms (and the charming set last year), coupled with the class specific relics/legendaries taking the neck slot, a new charm expanding token would be ideal. Therefore, may I suggestion:

Belt of Charms:
May equip 3 additional charms

Additionally, this lends itself very easily to relic and legendary:
Relic: May equip 4 additional charms
Legendary: May equip 5 additional charms

I agree on those reprints likely coming.

I don't think we'll be seeing any legendary tokens except for class specific for the next 2 years. Jeff has said Barbarian, Monk and Paladin are coming next year I believe.

The UR you proposed is very interesting. Since the Charm necklace is +3 charms in the neck slot, which is generally considered "better" than the waist, it may be too good.
Would it be too weak at +2 charms, like the bracelets? I don't really know.

If we do slot expanders (which we should do VERY cautiously), I hope we expand Ioun Stones again.

I do not expect this to happen FWIW

The three classes that were mentioned for next year are barbarian, monk, and ranger.
For those, keep in mind that what we have seen is a class item not in neck slot which is slightly underpower for UR, which can be used by other classes if appropriate. It then upgrades to a strong relic amulet special to that class.

Also, not sure if jeff intends to start another multi-year eldritch.

The teeth are still going and will not conclude until 2021. But 2020 could start a new 4c that would end in 2023. Might or might not be Eldritch though.

kurtreznor wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Matt Goodman wrote: Since the 2019 tokens are in their "SUPER FINAL" stage, I thought I'd start the ball rolling on the 2020 cycle!

(A little tongue in cheek, but actually serves a purpose to make sure I don't forget things)

From other threads, I gathered this so far for "unofficially official" reprints:
Mad Evoker's Charm
Charm of Brooching

Both of these seem to be worthwhile to reprint, at least to me.

I would like to add in a new idea that was kicked around between my friend and myself. With the ever expanding charms (and the charming set last year), coupled with the class specific relics/legendaries taking the neck slot, a new charm expanding token would be ideal. Therefore, may I suggestion:

Belt of Charms:
May equip 3 additional charms

Additionally, this lends itself very easily to relic and legendary:
Relic: May equip 4 additional charms
Legendary: May equip 5 additional charms

I agree on those reprints likely coming.

I don't think we'll be seeing any legendary tokens except for class specific for the next 2 years. Jeff has said Barbarian, Monk and Paladin are coming next year I believe.

The UR you proposed is very interesting. Since the Charm necklace is +3 charms in the neck slot, which is generally considered "better" than the waist, it may be too good.
Would it be too weak at +2 charms, like the bracelets? I don't really know.

If we do slot expanders (which we should do VERY cautiously), I hope we expand Ioun Stones again.

I do not expect this to happen FWIW

The three classes that were mentioned for next year are barbarian, monk, and ranger.
For those, keep in mind that what we have seen is a class item not in neck slot which is slightly underpower for UR, which can be used by other classes if appropriate. It then upgrades to a strong relic amulet special to that class.

Also, not sure if jeff intends to start another multi-year eldritch.

Also, Paladin will be getting the Holy Avenger.

Multi Year I would expect. Eldritch is a question.

Could see it being something to improve Int/Wis/Cha.

Pretty sure the only class that hasn’t had a class-only UR since 2011 is... you guessed it. (Not counting dwarves and elves, perhaps.)

Since Clerics aren’t getting their legendary next year, and I’m not saying they should, it would be nice if we could get an exclusive UR. Not sure what... a Hymnal? Something for our Beads? A Censer? A reliquary?

I’m torn about reprinting Greater Holy Symbol, and don’t want to obsolete that one... so I’d personally want something else but I don’t know what.

Maybe a slotless reliquary that adds a few points to turning (after GHS doubling, of course)

I know people are sick of slotless, but it would be very limited so maybe it’s okay

Brad Mortensen wrote: Pretty sure the only class that hasn’t had a class-only UR since 2011 is... you guessed it. (Not counting dwarves and elves, perhaps.)

Since Clerics aren’t getting their legendary next year, and I’m not saying they should, it would be nice if we could get an exclusive UR. Not sure what... a Hymnal? Something for our Beads? A Censer? A reliquary?

I’m torn about reprinting Greater Holy Symbol, and don’t want to obsolete that one... so I’d personally want something else but I don’t know what.

Maybe a slotless reliquary that adds a few points to turning (after GHS doubling, of course)

I know people are sick of slotless, but it would be very limited so maybe it’s okay

Brad, as much as I love Clerics, our Fighter brethren haven't had a Fighter-only UR since 2010, the Plate Armor of Attack .

Fiddy wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: Pretty sure the only class that hasn’t had a class-only UR since 2011 is... you guessed it. (Not counting dwarves and elves, perhaps.)

Since Clerics aren’t getting their legendary next year, and I’m not saying they should, it would be nice if we could get an exclusive UR. Not sure what... a Hymnal? Something for our Beads? A Censer? A reliquary?

I’m torn about reprinting Greater Holy Symbol, and don’t want to obsolete that one... so I’d personally want something else but I don’t know what.

Maybe a slotless reliquary that adds a few points to turning (after GHS doubling, of course)

I know people are sick of slotless, but it would be very limited so maybe it’s okay

Brad, as much as I love Clerics, our Fighter brethren haven't had a Fighter-only UR since 2010, the Plate Armor of Attack .

Hush you

Okay, they can have one, too.

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: Pretty sure the only class that hasn’t had a class-only UR since 2011 is... you guessed it. (Not counting dwarves and elves, perhaps.)

Since Clerics aren’t getting their legendary next year, and I’m not saying they should, it would be nice if we could get an exclusive UR. Not sure what... a Hymnal? Something for our Beads? A Censer? A reliquary?

I’m torn about reprinting Greater Holy Symbol, and don’t want to obsolete that one... so I’d personally want something else but I don’t know what.

Maybe a slotless reliquary that adds a few points to turning (after GHS doubling, of course)

I know people are sick of slotless, but it would be very limited so maybe it’s okay

Brad, as much as I love Clerics, our Fighter brethren haven't had a Fighter-only UR since 2010, the Plate Armor of Attack .

Hush you

Okay, they can have one, too.

Yes, along with the paladins...in 2021

I don't care what it does.

If we don't get a Lenses of Hindsight I'm going to be extremely disappointed.