TOPIC: Wand Question

All token names are linked to TokenDB. Please let me know if I'm understanding this correctly.

Scenario: Lv5 Wizard has a Medallion of the Mystic Mouth (can use wand as a free action) and Ioun Stone Fluorite Cube (+2 wand damage). The player has one Wand of Forcebolts (4pts damage to all monsters). Recall that the 5th Level Wizard gets +2 damage to wands, applied as a pool.

Assume there are 2 monsters. Wizard can use a free action to trigger the Medallion of Mystic Mouth. That would do 6 damage to each monster (4 + 2 from fluorite cube) plus an extra 2 damage that can be applied to one or both monsters. So total damage dealt would be 14 pts. Then for his normal action, he can use the same wand a second time and deal another 14 pts of damage across the two monsters.

Do I have this correct?

Similar scenario with a Bard. Bard has Shield of the Scholar , Amorgen's Amazing Ocarina and Charm of the Sage . I'm not sure if Shield of the Scholar intentionally doesn't work with the Ocarina, or if that's just because the Ocarina didn't work when the ruling was made that the Shield of the Scholar works with Widseth's Lute.

Assuming you can indeed use the Shield and Ocarina together, a Bard should be able to sing while using two scrolls per turn (one as a free action, one as a standard action). If that Bard turned in two Scroll Acid Burst each round and there were two monsters, they would do 12 damage + 7 damage twice per round, or a total of 38 damage.

Sound correct?

Kirk Bauer wrote: All token names are linked to TokenDB. Please let me know if I'm understanding this correctly.

Scenario: Lv5 Wizard has a Medallion of the Mystic Mouth (can use wand as a free action) and Ioun Stone Fluorite Cube (+2 wand damage). The player has one Wand of Forcebolts (4pts damage to all monsters). Recall that the 5th Level Wizard gets +2 damage to wands, applied as a pool.

Assume there are 2 monsters. Wizard can use a free action to trigger the Medallion of Mystic Mouth. That would do 6 damage to each monster (4 + 2 from fluorite cube) plus an extra 2 damage that can be applied to one or both monsters. So total damage dealt would be 14 pts. Then for his normal action, he can use the same wand a second time and deal another 14 pts of damage across the two monsters.

Do I have this correct?

Sounds correct to me. Though the Ioun Stone could use a clarification on whether the +2 damage should also be treated as a pool or applies to each target.

Kirk Bauer wrote: Similar scenario with a Bard. Bard has Shield of the Scholar , Amorgen's Amazing Ocarina and Charm of the Sage . I'm not sure if Shield of the Scholar intentionally doesn't work with the Ocarina, or if that's just because the Ocarina didn't work when the ruling was made that the Shield of the Scholar works with Widseth's Lute.

Assuming you can indeed use the Shield and Ocarina together, a Bard should be able to sing while using two scrolls per turn (one as a free action, one as a standard action). If that Bard turned in two Scroll Acid Burst each round and there were two monsters, they would do 12 damage + 7 damage twice per round, or a total of 38 damage.

Sound correct?

Close. The Ocarina casts the scroll as part of the same action as the bardsong, and explicitly says you can still do a Free Action. The Shield explicitly says that the scroll it casts is a Free Action. So far so good. However, the Shield's Free Action is 1/room. So you can't pull this off multiple rounds of the same combat.

Also, Charm of the Sage should be clarified as to whether the +2 is a pool or applicable to each target individually.

PHB is a little ambiguous as to whether a wand is slotted or not. It’s not slotless as it takes up the main hand, just like weapons do... so every thing I say in the last paragraph is based on my understanding that it takes a free action to retrieve a wand.

scenario 1 - not according to the text on Medallion. You swap in, use, and swap out the second wand all as a free action. If you have two wands, then yes, you could swap one for an identical one, and you mark one charge off each. And you can do that for as many rounds as you have charges on the “main” wand.

Note that if you start with a chargeless wand, this only works for one round. At the end of the round you’re left holding a used wand, so must use a free action on round 2 to swap for an unspent one and a Standard Action to use it, but you can’t use MoMM if you’re constantly using the Free Action to replace your wand. The only sustainable tactic is cast spells as your standard action, then MoMM a different wand as a FA every round.

Scenario 2 - how are you holding a Shield and a two-handed Ocarina at the same time?

Kirk Bauer wrote: I'm not sure if Shield of the Scholar intentionally doesn't work with { Amorgen's Amazing Ocarina }, or if that's just because the Ocarina didn't work when the ruling was made that the Shield of the Scholar works with Widseth's Lute.

The latter--AAO didn't exist back in 2014 when SotS was printed.

Druegar wrote:

Kirk Bauer wrote: I'm not sure if Shield of the Scholar intentionally doesn't work with { Amorgen's Amazing Ocarina }, or if that's just because the Ocarina didn't work when the ruling was made that the Shield of the Scholar works with Widseth's Lute.

The latter--AAO didn't exist back in 2014 when SotS was printed.

Items not currently being worn do not work. E.g. +2 STR from Orb of Might is not in effect in ranged, so Mighty and thrown weapons don’t get the +1 damage.

Widseth’s lets you wield sword and board during song, so you essentially have four hands in melee to sing and swing and scroll, if you want, and if your Shield is scholar.

Ocarina doesn’t let you hold a Shield, nor does any other instrument. Thus you can’t trigger Scholar’s effect with any instrument other than Widseth’s.

That’s not a pronouncement, just my understanding.

Druegar wrote:

Kirk Bauer wrote: I'm not sure if Shield of the Scholar intentionally doesn't work with { Amorgen's Amazing Ocarina }, or if that's just because the Ocarina didn't work when the ruling was made that the Shield of the Scholar works with Widseth's Lute.

The latter--AAO didn't exist back in 2014 when SotS was printed.

Thanks! I suggest an update to TokenDB for this, as well as Charm of the Sage and Ioun Stone Fluorite Cube to clarify if they are pools or not with multi-target scrolls and wands. I suggest they boost the base damage which then applies to each target.

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Druegar wrote:

Kirk Bauer wrote: I'm not sure if Shield of the Scholar intentionally doesn't work with { Amorgen's Amazing Ocarina }, or if that's just because the Ocarina didn't work when the ruling was made that the Shield of the Scholar works with Widseth's Lute.

The latter--AAO didn't exist back in 2014 when SotS was printed.

Items not currently being worn do not work. E.g. +2 STR from Orb of Might is not in effect in ranged, so Mighty and thrown weapons don’t get the +1 damage.

Widseth’s lets you wield sword and board during song, so you essentially have four hands in melee to sing and swing and scroll, if you want, and if your Shield is scholar.

Ocarina doesn’t let you hold a Shield, nor does any other instrument. Thus you can’t trigger Scholar’s effect with any instrument other than Widseth’s.

That’s not a pronouncement, just my understanding.

Lenses of Sage Speed is your scroll slinging Bard's friend in this case...