TOPIC: Minimum Strength Requirements w/ Bliss Bull Shield

I think I know the answer to this, but want to make sure.

So, I want to equip a Maul of the Titans , which requires a 24 strength to wield.

I also equip a Bliss Bull Shield , in the Ranged Offhand Slot because the Maul is a 2 handed weapon. The Bliss Bull Shield provides +1 Strength. Does that +1 strength apply to the required 24 strength in order to wield the Maul of the Titans?

My guess is not, as the shield is not equipped when the Maul is equipped, but I need to make sure before I change the code.

Thanks!

Cranston wrote: I think I know the answer to this, but want to make sure.

So, I want to equip a Maul of the Titans , which requires a 24 strength to wield.

I also equip a Bliss Bull Shield , in the Ranged Offhand Slot because the Maul is a 2 handed weapon. The Bliss Bull Shield provides +1 Strength. Does that +1 strength apply to the required 24 strength in order to wield the Maul of the Titans?

My guess is not, as the shield is not equipped when the Maul is equipped, but I need to make sure before I change the code.

Thanks!

this would be like the orb of sleeze a while back

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

Cranston wrote: I think I know the answer to this, but want to make sure.

So, I want to equip a Maul of the Titans , which requires a 24 strength to wield.

I also equip a Bliss Bull Shield , in the Ranged Offhand Slot because the Maul is a 2 handed weapon. The Bliss Bull Shield provides +1 Strength. Does that +1 strength apply to the required 24 strength in order to wield the Maul of the Titans?

My guess is not, as the shield is not equipped when the Maul is equipped, but I need to make sure before I change the code.

Thanks!

this would be like the orb of sleeze a while back

The Orb was sleaze because it was against the laws of nature; you can’t equip a melee weapon in a ranged slot. Shields are legal in ranged off-hand.

But, from the DMG (Set Bonuses):

Characters may temporarily swap one or both hand- held set-piece items (either melee for ranged or ranged for melee) and maintain the set’s bonus. However, the bonuses granted by the individual “lost” item(s) won’t apply. E.g., a ranger using SCEPTER, ORB, and BOOTS OF MIGHT to gain a level may swap out the scepter and orb to use a ranged weapon, but may not use any other melee weapons. During the swap-out, the ranger loses the +2 Strength...

So... unless you grow a third arm, Bliss Shield doesn’t help you wield the Maul, and the +1 STR and AC bump are only in effect during ranged combat.

Cranston wrote: I think I know the answer to this, but want to make sure.

So, I want to equip a Maul of the Titans , which requires a 24 strength to wield.

I also equip a Bliss Bull Shield , in the Ranged Offhand Slot because the Maul is a 2 handed weapon. The Bliss Bull Shield provides +1 Strength. Does that +1 strength apply to the required 24 strength in order to wield the Maul of the Titans?

My guess is not, as the shield is not equipped when the Maul is equipped, but I need to make sure before I change the code.

Thanks!

There was somewhat extended discussion of this within the last two months - this doesn't work. You only get the STR bonus when holding the shield, and you can't be sliding the Maul while holding the shield.

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=5&id=246768&limitstart=0

What Brad and Matthew said.
Change away, Cranston.

Thank you to all who commented!

The changes will be made, so the apps follow this correctly. The new version should be out in a couple weeks.

Cranston wrote: Thank you to all who commented!

The changes will be made, so the apps follow this correctly. The new version should be out in a couple weeks.

You probably thought of this already, but the same logic means a Bliss Shield in melee doesn’t help the damage of Mighty Bows, either...

Good catch, Brad!

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Cranston wrote: Thank you to all who commented!

The changes will be made, so the apps follow this correctly. The new version should be out in a couple weeks.

You probably thought of this already, but the same logic means a Bliss Shield in melee doesn’t help the damage of Mighty Bows, either...

The cross strength benefit between melee and ranged is already in the plan. Amorgen outlined using a separate strength for melee and ranged, which will work for the apps also. In the Stats view, if both melee and ranged strength are the same, only 1 number shows up, but if they are different both are shown. So, whether it is Orb of Might, or Bliss Bull Shield, any offhand item providing a strength benefit only benefits one weapon set. Honestly, I had only considered the Orb of Might in the melee offhand, but you make a good point. Fortunately the code covers either.

For items with minimum strength requirements, i just wasn't sure if both could apply. I knew the group would know for sure. I believe the Maul of the Titans is the only item requiring a minimum strength, so it is a relatively easy fix. When Jeff comes out with a Dex bonus shield, it will get much more complicated.

Thanks!