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TOPIC: Feedback Needed: 2014 Transmuted Recipes!

Feedback Needed: 2014 Transmuted Recipes! 10 years 4 months ago #1

Please give me your thoughts on these recipes. I am still working on the +3 Rod of Niltongue, but its main ingredient will be any UR melee weapon.

ADDED 6:00pm 11/3

+3 Rod of Niltongue ("Relic")
Any Ultra Rare melee weapon
Scroll: Stone to Flesh
Earcuff of Understanding
1× Alchemist’s Ink
5× Alchemist’s Parchment
1× Aragonite
14× Darkwood Plank
8× Dwarven Steel
1× Elven Bismuth
1× Mystic Silk
6× Philosopher’s Stone
the equivalent of 2,000 GP


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Oil of Deadly Venom ("Enhanced")
Oil of Venom*
Orb of Venom

Potion: Polymorph (Cobra)
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
Direwood Thorn
Werewolf Fang
50GP


Boots of the Marauder ("Exalted")
Belt of Freedom
Minor Ring of Reflexes

Boots of the Raider*
Charm of the Wealful Wind

plus ONLY ONE of the following:
Golem Spring
Genie Vapor < added 10:30pm 11/3
250GP

Changed 6:00pm 11/3

Potion: Distilled Healing ("Exalted")
11x Potion Sacred Oasis Water
100GP



+3 Viper Fang ("Relic")
+2 Viper Fang*
Scroll: Poison Arrow
Shuriken of Venom
2× Alchemist’s Ink
6× Alchemist’s Parchment
2× Aragonite
10× Darkwood Plank
12× Dwarven Steel
2× Elven Bismuth
2× Minotaur Hide
2× Mystic Silk
2× Philosopher’s Stone
the equivalent of 3,000 GP


+3 Slayer Sword ("Relic")

+2 Slayer Sword*
Scroll: Bless
Belt of Ogre Power
1× Alchemist’s Ink
6× Alchemist’s Parchment
2× Aragonite
6× Darkwood Plank
14× Dwarven Steel
2× Elven Bismuth
8× Minotaur Hide
1× Mystic Silk
1× Philosopher’s Stone
the equivalent of 3,000 GP


+2 Keen Slayer Bow ("Relic")
+2 Keen Longbow*
Gloves of Archery
+1 Long Bow (any year)
+1 Short Bow

5× Alchemist’s Parchment
2× Aragonite
16× Darkwood Plank
8× Dwarven Steel
2× Elven Bismuth
2× Enchanter's Munitions
2× Oil of Enchantment
4× Minotaur Hide
1× Mystic Silk
the equivalent of 5,000 GP


Ring of Greater Focus ("Relic")
Ring of Focus*
Scroll: Poison Arrow
Gloves of Healing
Scroll: Soothing Healing

4× Alchemist’s Ink
6× Alchemist’s Parchment
10× Darkwood Plank
4× Dwarven Steel
2× Oil of Enchantment
2× Mystic Silk
8× Philosopher’s Stone
the equivalent of 2,500 GP


Ring of Protection +4 ("Relic")

Ring of Protection +2* or Ring of Protection +1 (woodie)
Amulet of Soothing Waters
Scroll: Shield

Ioun Stone: Ruby Rhombus
Scroll: Stoneskin

2× Alchemist’s Ink
5× Alchemist’s Parchment
8× Darkwood Plank
4× Dwarven Steel
1× Oil of Enchantment
8× Philosopher’s Stone
the equivalent of 2,000 GP


Asher's +5 Viper Strike Fang ("Legendary")

+3 Viper Fang
Viper Strike Belt
Viper Strike Shirt

Venom Runestone
4× Alchemist’s Ink
12× Alchemist’s Parchment
4× Aragonite
18× Darkwood Plank
24× Dwarven Steel
3× Elven Bismuth
2× Enchanter’s Munitions
1× Golden Fleece
6× Minotaur Hide
4× Mystic Silk
2× Oil of Enchantment
6× Philosopher’s Stone
25,000 GP Eldritch Bar
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
Wish Ring
the equivalent of 15,000 GP (Reserve tokens only)


Welfor's +5 Slayer Sword ("Legendary")
+3 Slayer Sword
Stu-pendus Pendant
Belt of Ogre Power (any year)
4× Alchemist’s Ink
10× Alchemist’s Parchment
4× Aragonite
14× Darkwood Plank
28× Dwarven Steel
4× Elven Bismuth
3× Enchanter’s Munitions
1× Golden Fleece
6× Minotaur Hide
4× Mystic Silk
2× Oil of Enchantment
6× Philosopher’s Stone
25,000 GP Eldritch Bar
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
Wish Ring
the equivalent of 15,000 GP (Reserve tokens only)


Io's +4 Ultra Keen Slayer Bow ("Legendary")

+2 Keen Slayer Bow
+2 Sacred Sling
+1 Arrow of True Flight
Arrow of True Flight
2× Alchemist’s Ink
8× Alchemist’s Parchment
3× Aragonite
25× Darkwood Plank
15× Dwarven Steel
2× Elven Bismuth
8× Enchanter’s Munitions
1× Golden Fleece
6× Minotaur Hide
10× Mystic Silk
2× Oil of Enchantment
4× Philosopher’s Stone
25,000 GP Eldritch Bar
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
Wish Ring
the equivalent of 15,000 GP (Reserve tokens only)


Relsa's Ring of Supreme Focus ("Legendary")

Ring of Greater Focus
Charm of Enlightenment edited from UR color
Potion: Sacred Water
Scroll: Venom Strike

8× Alchemist’s Ink
14× Alchemist’s Parchment
1× Aragonite
18× Darkwood Plank
8× Dwarven Steel
1× Elven Bismuth
2× Enchanter’s Munitions
1× Golden Fleece
3× Minotaur Hide
12× Mystic Silk
1× Oil of Enchantment
16× Philosopher’s Stone
25,000 GP Eldritch Bar
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
Wish Ring
the equivalent of 15,000 GP (Reserve tokens only)


Rolland's Ring of Protection +6 ("Legendary")

Ring of Protection +4
Minor Ring of Fortitude
Minor Ring of Reflexes
Minor Ring of Will

Ring of Protection +1 (rare, any year)
6× Alchemist’s Ink
15× Alchemist’s Parchment
2× Aragonite
16× Darkwood Plank
10× Dwarven Steel
1× Elven Bismuth
2× Enchanter’s Munitions
1× Golden Fleece
4× Minotaur Hide
10× Mystic Silk
2× Oil of Enchantment
16× Philosopher’s Stone
25,000 GP Eldritch Bar
plus ONLY ONE of the following:
Wish Ring
the equivalent of 15,000 GP (Reserve tokens only)
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Last edit: by Jeff Martin.
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Re: Feedback Needed: 2014 Transmuted Recipes! 10 years 4 months ago #2

relics calling for more than one Aragonite seems high
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Re: Feedback Needed: 2014 Transmuted Recipes! 10 years 4 months ago #3

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: relics calling for more than one Aragonite seems high


It is higher than in the past, but I do think it makes sense for multiple Aragonite for Relic Weapons and Armor.
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Re: Feedback Needed: 2014 Transmuted Recipes! 10 years 4 months ago #4

Two questions linger:

1. What is the final word on the powers and any recipe issues for the ROSP?

2. The current requirement for 2013 ingredients is very light. Are there other transmutes forthcoming? It would be nice to see a fancy dandy something that requires all four of the 2013 ingredients together.

...and a request....

3. In the last few years, and in particular this year, lots of not that old URs are being obsoleted by newer, more efficient, or more effective URs. I suggest that a broader UR requirement (any past UR) would allow those of us who paid money for these obsoleted URs to recover some value (particularly since no one wants them in trade) rather than have them sit in our dustbins indefinitely.
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Last edit: by Disbeeleaf.
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Re: Feedback Needed: 2014 Transmuted Recipes! 10 years 4 months ago #5

Disbeeleaf wrote: Two questions linger:

1. What is the final word on the powers and any recipe issues for the ROSP?

2. The current requirement for 2013 ingredients is very light. Are there other transmutes forthcoming? It would be nice to see a fancy dandy something that requires all four of the 2013 ingredients together.

...and a request....

3. In the last few years, and in particular this year, lots of not that old URs are being obsoleted by newer, more efficient, or more effective URs. I suggest that a broader UR requirement (any past UR) would allow those of us who paid money for these obsoleted URs to recover some value (particularly since no one wants them in trade) rather than have them sit in our dustbins indefinitely.


There used to be a Relic Weapon and Relic Armor that let you trade in as part of the recipe any past UR Weapon or Armor (respectively). I remember the armor was dropped out, I had thought the weapon was still in the set. It must have fallen out at the last minute.
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Re: Feedback Needed: 2014 Transmuted Recipes! 10 years 4 months ago #6

Mike - Rod of Niltongue is the weapon, recipe to come (per Jeff's post).
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Re: Feedback Needed: 2014 Transmuted Recipes! 10 years 4 months ago #7

binia wrote: Mike - Rod of Niltongue is the weapon, recipe to come (per Jeff's post).


Thanks! I guess I just skipped right to the recipes ;)

It would be interesting if anyone wanted to convert the ingredient recipes to a dollar value and compare them to last year's. I am glad Darkwood Planks, Dwarven Steel, and Alchemist's Parchment are getting used extensively this year.
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Re: Feedback Needed: 2014 Transmuted Recipes! 10 years 4 months ago #8

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: relics calling for more than one Aragonite seems high


I agree with Lazlo's observation. Otherwise, the transmutes look good. Looking forward to the Niltongue!
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Re: Feedback Needed: 2014 Transmuted Recipes! 10 years 4 months ago #9

Oil of Deadly Venom - should be slightly higher gold cost - 100gp?

Boots of the Marauder - perfect, exactly the same cost as the 2013 and 2012 exalted permanents

Potion: Distilled Healing - too cheap. I think we all expected it to cost at least 10 oasis waters plus gold and a kicker token. If you want to keep it at only 3 oasis waters, throw in the rare healing scroll and maybe take off the pearl of prayer component. I'm sure we'd all agree that a conversion from scroll to potion is a big boon. If the rare healing scroll is used here, should take it off the requirements for the +4 Ring of Greater Focus.

For the relics, it'd be nice if they all required at least two rares and two uncommons, but for most of us that's a minor challenge. It's nice to see so little use of munitions and hide, since last year was so heavy, although the 8 hides for the sword is both odd and steep. I tend to think the ingredient costs for the Fang and Sword should be a hair less, either one less Aragonite or one less Bismuth and a few less Steel.
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Re: Feedback Needed: 2014 Transmuted Recipes! 10 years 4 months ago #10

Jeff, I'd really like the Potion of Distilled Healing to require more 1 point healing tokens, and I'd really appreciate it if you could open it up to any of the past healing tokens, as there are tons of them out there and this token could really help transmute those to something more useful.

Maybe change it to any 8 common healing tokens and any 1 uncommon healing token?
Last edit: by Mike Steele.
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Re: Feedback Needed: 2014 Transmuted Recipes! 10 years 4 months ago #11

It seems the two big reasons for the PoDH is (1) decrease the weight of token-based healing going into the dungeon and (b) having something more substantial to chug with the Belt of Retrieval. For between-round healing, scrolls are (potentially) superior because of the Gloves of the Cabal.

And the larger the heal, the more potential to waste a few points in over-healing. So bigger isn't always better...

That said, I'd agree the current recipe seems a tad cheap. It feels like the equivalent value of about 8 PSOW, where it seems should be the minimum, and 11 or 12 wouldn't be unreasonable. Maybe add an ingredient of "3 additional points of potion-base healing"? (That helps Mr Steele dump a bunch of older healing pots.)

OBTW, anyone tempted to use their 2013 trophies for transmuting can trade them to me :)

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Re: Feedback Needed: 2014 Transmuted Recipes! 10 years 4 months ago #12

The Aragonite looks OK to me since these are weapons.

I agree with Binia on the munitions and hide as far as its lighter use, and it does seems a bit heavy to have 8 for the sword.

Where does the "Charm of Enlightenment" come from?

I agree with Mike on using past healing tokens. When I saw this I had thought maybe that was one of the purposes of the Potion of Distilled Healing.

Will past Ring of Focus be able to be transmitted?
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