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TOPIC: Complete listing of changes

Complete listing of changes 17 years 11 months ago #1

Alright folks! In the interest of... I dunno... interest, I've put together what I'm pretty sure is an accurate list of all changes that occured between 2005b and 2006 token runs. This is rarity changes, new tokens, and extinct tokens. If you see anything needing correction, please let me know!  Hope this is helpful.<br /><br />Changes from 2005b series to 2006 series-<br /><br />RETURNED TOKENS AND RARITY SHIFTS: <br /><br />Gold: 3GP (Gone in 2005, but now back)<br />Gold: 10GP (Rare until 2005a, not in 2005b, now Common)<br />Rumor: Minor Rumor (Common through 2004, not in 2005, now Rare)<br />Scroll: Remove Curse (Very Rare through 2005b, now Rare)<br />Scroll: Remove Disease (Very Rare through 2005b, now Rare)<br /><br />TOKENS THAT ARE COMPLETELY NEW: <br /><br />Common:<br />Armor: Animal Hide<br />Gem: 5 Pearl<br />Gem: 10 Amber<br />Gem: 15 Aquamarine<br />Weapon: Hand Axe<br />Weapon: Masterwork Arrow<br />Weapon: Masterwork Bolt<br />Weapon: Weighted Net<br /><br />Rare:<br />Gem: 30 Coral<br />Gem: 35 Topaz<br />Scroll: Mage Hand<br />Scroll: Mirror Image<br />Scroll: Stone to Flesh<br /><br />Very Rare:<br />Weapon: +1 Longbow<br />Armor: Elven Chain<br />Rumor: Major Rumor<br />Scroll: Blink<br />Ring: Fire Resistance<br />Ring: Frost Resistance<br /><br />Ultra Rare<br />Gem: 750 Diamond<br />Armor: Dragonscale Shield<br />Weapon:+2 Heavy Mace<br />Weapon: Arrow of Slaying<br />Wonderous: Hand of Glory<br />Potion: Invisibility<br /><br /><br />TOKENS THAT ARE COMPLETELY GONE: <br /><br />Common:<br />Gold: 2GP<br />Gold: 8GP<br />Gem: 5 Geo<br />Gem: 5 Quartz<br />Gem: 10 Lodestone<br />Gem: 15 Turquoise<br />Gear: Steel Flask<br />Gear: Waterskin<br />Armor: Leather<br />Scroll: Detect Undead<br />Scroll: Detect Poison<br /><br />Rare:<br />Gem: 20 Hematite<br />Gem: 25 Lapis Lazuli<br />Gem: 30 Tiger Eye<br />Gem: 35 Bloodstone<br />Potion: Endure Elements<br />Scroll: Detect Poison<br />Scroll: Disrupt Undead<br />Scroll: Melf's Acid Arrow<br /><br />Very Rare:<br />Gem: 50 Moonstone<br />Gem: 50 Onyx<br />Scroll: Flame Arrow<br />Wand: Melf's Acid Arrow<br /><br />Ultra Rare:<br />Gem: 300 Ruby<br />Gem: 400 Sapphire<br />Gem: 500 Emerald<br />Scroll: Fly<br />Weapon: +2 Quarterstaff<br />Wonderous: Necklace of Fireballs<br />

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Re: Complete listing of changes 17 years 11 months ago #2

<br />QUESTIONS:<br />I'm working on another bit of spreadsheet, and was wondering which year the following tokens switched rarity:<br />Potion: Cure Lt Wounds (+5) from Rare to Very Rare<br />Potion: Darkvision from Rare to Very Rare, or possibly one to the other and back.<br />Scroll: Detect Poison from Rare to Common, before disappearing.<br />

<br />Green cure light potion: 2003 only<br />Green Darkvision: 2003-2005 a,c,d(pretty sure d too)<br />Brown detect poisen: 2003-2004<br />Green detect poisen: 2005<br /><br />Two thoughts: to be strictly accurate while there backs for 2005B all look the same, there was actually a 2005B, C, D printing. It's not super relevant, except that some of the 2005C/D tokens have a relative rarity viz-a-viz the 2005 A/B.<br />Also I don't think there was a scroll: cure light wounds in 2004?<br /><br />Token faithful, does everyone agree? And does anyone know for sure about the 2005d?<br />

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Re: Complete listing of changes 17 years 11 months ago #3

I worked on adding some print run information into the token guide this year.  It (version 5.0) should be ready within the week.  I ask the collectors to look over the contents and send me any issues or corrections with the print runs and how I remember things.  I have some information, but I do not claim to be the authority on when things were in or out.  I am merely going by my snapshot pictures of each years print runs as a guide.  <br /><br />So I fully expect to have missed a token or two so please let me know, and the corrections will appear in the next version.  I am struggling to set a balance between listing all the dates a token was available and not.  In other words, putting some information in to make the guide useful to collectors but not too much to turn off the average player.<br /><br />Dave
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Re: Complete listing of changes 17 years 11 months ago #4

What about having an appendix called "collector's pages" where all that information is collected. That way it could be as detailed as possible, and the average player could ignore it.

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Re: Complete listing of changes 17 years 11 months ago #5

<br />Green cure light potion: 2003 only<br />Green Darkvision: 2003-2005 a,c,d(pretty sure d too)<br />Brown detect poisen: 2003-2004<br />Green detect poisen: 2005<br />

<br /><br />This is all based on my set of master images that I use for the token guide...<br /><br />Potion - Rare - Cure Light 2003 only <br />Potion - Rare - Darkvision - 2003, 2004, 2005 a  Changed to VR in b/c/d printing <br />Scroll - Common - Detect Poison - 2003-2004 (possibly 2005a), changed to Rare in 2005b+, gone in 2006<br />Scroll - Rare -Detect Poison -2005b/c/d, gone in 2006<br /><br />Dave
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Re: Complete listing of changes 17 years 11 months ago #6

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<br />QUESTIONS:<br />I'm working on another bit of spreadsheet, and was wondering which year the following tokens switched rarity:<br />Potion: Cure Lt Wounds (+5) from Rare to Very Rare<br />Potion: Darkvision from Rare to Very Rare, or possibly one to the other and back.<br />Scroll: Detect Poison from Rare to Common, before disappearing.<br />

<br />Green cure light potion: 2003 only<br />Green Darkvision: 2003-2005 a,c,d(pretty sure d too)<br />Brown detect poisen: 2003-2004<br />Green detect poisen: 2005<br /><br />Two thoughts: to be strictly accurate while there backs for 2005B all look the same, there was actually a 2005B, C, D printing. It's not super relevant, except that some of the 2005C/D tokens have a relative rarity viz-a-viz the 2005 A/B.<br />Also I don't think there was a scroll: cure light wounds in 2004?<br /><br />Token faithful, does everyone agree? And does anyone know for sure about the 2005d?<br /><br />

<br /><br />scroll: cure light wounds in 2004 - you talking 5 or 8 point variety?  If 5 point I have a 2004 CLW token...if 8 I do not.<br /><br />
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Re: Complete listing of changes 17 years 11 months ago #7

<br />What about having an appendix called "collector's pages" where all that information is collected. That way it could be as detailed as possible, and the average player could ignore it.<br />

<br /><br />Good Idea, I could set up a grid and list the information there.<br /><br />Hey Douglas, can you send me the spreadsheet version of the usibility guide and I can use that as a starting place?  I can go through my master images and verify the printing.<br /><br />Dave
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Re: Complete listing of changes 17 years 11 months ago #8

Scroll: Cure light wounds<br />2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 – Rare – 5 pts<br />2003, 2006 – VR -8 pts<br />2004, 2005 – VR – 5pts<br /><br />Scroll: Cure light wounds<br />2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 – Rare – 5 pts<br />2003, 2005, 2006 – VR -8 pts<br /><br />Sorry my eyes got crossed and I was looking at the potion not the scroll.<br /><br />Dave
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Re: Complete listing of changes 17 years 11 months ago #9

<br />Scroll: Cure light wounds<br />2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 – Rare – 5 pts<br />2003, 2006 – VR -8 pts<br />2004, 2005 – VR – 5pts<br />

<br /><br />huh?<br /><br />I have the following Scroll CLW 8's:<br />2005, 2005B, 2006.<br /><br />I have the following Scroll CLW 5's:<br />2004, 2005A, 2005B, 2006.
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Re: Complete listing of changes 17 years 11 months ago #10

Dave RU Sure about the Scroll of Cure light wounds?<br /><br />I have the jpeg from 2005B and the VR is there as 8 points. I checked the 2004 token guide(the 3 page foldout one) and there is no VR scroll: cure light wounds for 2004

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Re: Complete listing of changes 17 years 11 months ago #11

Gary,<br /><br />  You don't have the 2003's? I'm surprised!<br /><br />David

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Re: Complete listing of changes 17 years 11 months ago #12

Thanks for the information on the years things changed. Looks like nothing changed between 2005b and c/d, so I made a column just called 2005b+ on the chart linked here.<br /><br />Here's a link to a complete grid with years included for everything, colorized according to rarity. This is almost all Gary's work - I simply added this year and colorized it. Credit for all the previous legwork goes to him.<br /><br /> Token Chart, with rarity, by series of issue

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