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Re: So is the SRoEC worth it? 11 years 7 months ago #13

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Mike Steele wrote: once you get two Eldritch items, there are all kinds of great bonuses: +10 to all heal spells, ignoring all spell and damage resistance, and +1 Level to Druids and Rangers at the minimum :)

Briars wrote: Where is this stated?

here

That's a two year old post and the set won't be available for three more years. I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Re: So is the SRoEC worth it? 11 years 7 months ago #14

Is the ring the only thing out right now thats part of this set?

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Re: So is the SRoEC worth it? 11 years 7 months ago #15

Druegar wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: once you get two Eldritch items, there are all kinds of great bonuses: +10 to all heal spells, ignoring all spell and damage resistance, and +1 Level to Druids and Rangers at the minimum :)

Briars wrote: Where is this stated?

here

That's a two year old post and the set won't be available for three more years. I wouldn't hold my breath.

plus Jeff can change is mind...

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Re: So is the SRoEC worth it? 11 years 7 months ago #16

Druegar wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: once you get two Eldritch items, there are all kinds of great bonuses: +10 to all heal spells, ignoring all spell and damage resistance, and +1 Level to Druids and Rangers at the minimum :)

Briars wrote: Where is this stated?

here

That's a two year old post and the set won't be available for three more years. I wouldn't hold my breath.


We got our Segment 5's with this year's order, if that happens in the future also, we could have the Eldritch 2 Item Set in GENCON 2014.

I'm already looking ahead to 2016 and 2021 for the 3 and 4 item sets :)

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Re: So is the SRoEC worth it? 11 years 7 months ago #17

Mike Steele wrote: I'm already looking ahead to 2016 and 2021 for the 3 and 4 item sets :)


Me too, Mike.
Me too. ;)
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Re: So is the SRoEC worth it? 11 years 7 months ago #18

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Mike Steele wrote: I'm already looking ahead to 2016 and 2021 for the 3 and 4 item sets :)


Me too, Mike.
Me too. ;)


I hope neither of them are neck slot items.

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Re: So is the SRoEC worth it? 11 years 7 months ago #19

You know guys, I'm starting to have a dreadful feeling about any tokens that require anything other than a stat modifier bonus. I really feel that the SRoEC is actually worth it overall, but only because you control your damage sheet.

Several times this year I found myself taking damage in certain rooms (Magma bowl room in puzzle - fire damage) and the fire effret room (Draco)- only to have the DM tell me some elaborate story as to why my SRoEC wouldn’t apply. This also occurred with the Earcuff that prevented damage from falling rocks in the whisper room (room 6?) in Giant's Travail - where, once again, the GM had some excuse as to why this wouldn’t apply.

I get that some more expensive tokens "Break" the encounters or puzzles, but that's WHY they are worth the $$ - if you take this away then they become useless.

As a respectful player I discuss any use of said "Break" or "Exploit" with the group ahead of time. A good example of this was this year's "Insta-Kill" option vs Smoak (Where you could lob a sacred hand grenade from the box in the room into the darkrift void). I specifically asked the party in the previous room how they would like to handle combat - if they wanted to even consider that an option. If not - we didnt use it. If so - we managed to figure out who would throw each round - etc.

If they are not comfortable that is one thing, but when the GMs outright refuse and the party is OK with it - that's when TD begins to frustrate those of us who have gone through the motions to actually create these nicer tokens.

Can you imagine finding the box of hand grenades, seeing the void gate and then being told - nah that's no loner an option... why even put it there? Similarly - why make the token if we cant use it?

In summary; is the SRoEC worth it? Yes assuming TD isn’t afraid of allowing it's abilities. Not so much if not - you are better off trading and getting something that affects base stats and the party card - a bonus that you will always see and use - not one left open for interpretation.


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Re: So is the SRoEC worth it? 11 years 7 months ago #20

Fizzikx wrote: Several times this year I found myself taking damage in certain rooms (Magma bowl room in puzzle - fire damage) and the fire effret room (Draco)- only to have the DM tell me some elaborate story as to why my SRoEC wouldn’t apply. This also occurred with the Earcuff that prevented damage from falling rocks in the whisper room (room 6?) in Giant's Travail - where, once again, the GM had some excuse as to why this wouldn’t apply.


I also had similar events happen to me several times. It seems this year there was a high number of fill-in DMs or DMs that didn't bother to really do their homework and phoned it in. Makes things very frustrating indeed.

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Re: So is the SRoEC worth it? 11 years 7 months ago #21

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Fizzikx wrote: You know guys, I'm starting to have a dreadful feeling about any tokens that require anything other than a stat modifier bonus. I really feel that the SRoEC is actually worth it overall, but only because you control your damage sheet.

Several times this year I found myself taking damage in certain rooms (Magma bowl room in puzzle - fire damage) and the fire effret room (Draco)- only to have the DM tell me some elaborate story as to why my SRoEC wouldn’t apply. This also occurred with the Earcuff that prevented damage from falling rocks in the whisper room (room 6?) in Giant's Travail - where, once again, the GM had some excuse as to why this wouldn’t apply.


This has happened in the past with items that gave Poison Immunity, and puzzles that ended up doing poison damage. This disgruntled me then, and it's unlikely to change.

I wonder what they would have done if someone tried to use a scroll of Fly in that room? Hey, look, no walking on the cavern floor!

But, back on topic for the ring... if there's a chance that you'll face elemental damage from monsters, then it's quite handy. It made a nice dent in the vampire wizardress we had to fight in the Grind.
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Re: So is the SRoEC worth it? 11 years 7 months ago #22

I just wanted to throw in a concern that has been brought up in the post. The damage issue, there was multiple times where the DM would just yell out to a person take X amount of damage and not explain where it came from. They should be taught to say take 5 pts of Physical Dmg, 5 pts of Fire Dmg etc etc etc. We had a lot of dmg reducing gear and didn't know if it applied half the time.

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Re: So is the SRoEC worth it? 11 years 7 months ago #23

Well, for a lot of the puzzle damage the type of energy is rather arbitrary. At the end of the day it doesn't make much of a difference if the ceiling falls on you, the room explodes, or a bunch of lizardmen chase you off with thrown spears - the end effect is pretty much the same.

For thematic/immersion purposes they may choose something like poison, cold, or shock but it becomes unbalanced with tokens that provide immunity/resistance.

Puzzle room damage just doesn't scale well with combat damage.

Hypothetically, they could sidestep this issue by just having the puzzle damage all be Eldritch damage or something made up like Unholy damage. But then you will have the LARPer/immersion type people complain.

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Re: So is the SRoEC worth it? 11 years 7 months ago #24

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Also sounding off on not being a fan of GMs not allowing token based solutions. This year in the bridge room I was very excited since I had 2 elven ropes with me. I asked the GM if we could use them to get the second half of the party across the gap and and everyone was very excited to have the bypass. The GM said no, first because we had no way to get the rope across (I also had a few grappling hooks but why quibble) when I pointed that out I was told the rope would not hold despite the token explicitly stating it will hold 1000 pounds. We then proceed to use the rope to get a belt pouch across and solve the puzzle as intended. Minor example I know but having creative solutions shot down for reasons that make no sense really makes me feel like were on rails (which I know we are but its still not fun being reminded).
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