TOPIC: Return to 6 monster Ingredient Tokens Per Year?

Since we are going to three new Dungeons per year, and also since Monster Ingredient Tokens supply seems to be outpacing demand, maybe we should go back to having six new Monster Ingredient Tokens per year.

That would increase by 50% the amount of Monster Ingredient Tokens needed for story transmute tokens like Medallion of Greyhawk, which would help balance supply with demand. Plus, there is a nice symetry with two new Monster Ingredient Tokens per Dungeon.

Its an interesting thought, I guess as long as the total number of bits generated over the con didn't increase it would have the desired effect.

Picc wrote: Its an interesting thought, I guess as long as the total number of bits generated over the con didn't increase it would have the desired effect.

That's exactly what I was thinking, there would be the same number of monster bits as a percentage of the total, but divided by 6 instead of 4.

Mike Steele wrote:

Picc wrote: Its an interesting thought, I guess as long as the total number of bits generated over the con didn't increase it would have the desired effect.

That's exactly what I was thinking, there would be the same number of monster bits as a percentage of the total, but divided by 6 instead of 4.

The number of MB at Gen Con. Shouldn't that also go down because there are 3 dungeons instead of 4. Pit is going to be" All players will get three draws from a special random treasure generator." Though I thought Jeff had said it would be left over 2017 but not according to the Upcoming Events page.

jedibcg wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Picc wrote: Its an interesting thought, I guess as long as the total number of bits generated over the con didn't increase it would have the desired effect.

That's exactly what I was thinking, there would be the same number of monster bits as a percentage of the total, but divided by 6 instead of 4.

The number of MB at Gen Con. Shouldn't that also go down because there are 3 dungeons instead of 4. Pit is going to be" All players will get three draws from a special random treasure generator." Though I thought Jeff had said it would be left over 2017 but not according to the Upcoming Events page.

I consider the Puzzle/Combat versions of Dungeons to count as the same Dungeon (as does TD XP), so I think it's actually going up from two Dungeons to three.

Mike Steele wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Picc wrote: Its an interesting thought, I guess as long as the total number of bits generated over the con didn't increase it would have the desired effect.

That's exactly what I was thinking, there would be the same number of monster bits as a percentage of the total, but divided by 6 instead of 4.

The number of MB at Gen Con. Shouldn't that also go down because there are 3 dungeons instead of 4. Pit is going to be" All players will get three draws from a special random treasure generator." Though I thought Jeff had said it would be left over 2017 but not according to the Upcoming Events page.

I consider the Puzzle/Combat versions of Dungeons to count as the same Dungeon (as does TD XP), so I think it's actually going up from two Dungeons to three.

But not as far as the amount of treasure is concerned. There are less tickets to pull from the treasure only 3 instead of 4.

jedibcg wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Picc wrote: Its an interesting thought, I guess as long as the total number of bits generated over the con didn't increase it would have the desired effect.

That's exactly what I was thinking, there would be the same number of monster bits as a percentage of the total, but divided by 6 instead of 4.

The number of MB at Gen Con. Shouldn't that also go down because there are 3 dungeons instead of 4. Pit is going to be" All players will get three draws from a special random treasure generator." Though I thought Jeff had said it would be left over 2017 but not according to the Upcoming Events page.

I consider the Puzzle/Combat versions of Dungeons to count as the same Dungeon (as does TD XP), so I think it's actually going up from two Dungeons to three.

But not as far as the amount of treasure is concerned. There are less tickets to pull from the treasure only 3 instead of 4.

Maybe. Most (but not all) of those drawing three in the newbie dungeon would have been drawing three in the normal dungeons. They just got shunted over. It’s hard to say what the net effect is going to be until we get there. Retroactive predictions are always the most accurate.

Brad Mortensen wrote: Maybe. Most (but not all) of those drawing three in the newbie dungeon would have been drawing three in the normal dungeons. They just got shunted over. It’s hard to say what the net effect is going to be until we get there. Retroactive predictions are always the most accurate.

The Pit has no affect on the amount of treasure there is for the 2018 MB. Last year at Gen Con there were 4 dungeons pulling from the same pool. This year there will be only 3 dungeons pulling from the same pool. This likely means there will be less pulls from that poll. That is all I am saying. Granted we don't know what treasure enchancers those 3 dungeons worth will have, but I would be willing to bet that the overall total will be less than 4 dungeon's worth of pulls from last year. If the ratio of MB in the treasure pool is the same as last year then it will be less monster bits overall. I am not saying that is good or bad. If it is also 6 bits then there will be less of any individual MB as well. Again not saying good or bad.

jedibcg wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: Maybe. Most (but not all) of those drawing three in the newbie dungeon would have been drawing three in the normal dungeons. They just got shunted over. It’s hard to say what the net effect is going to be until we get there. Retroactive predictions are always the most accurate.

The Pit has no affect on the amount of treasure there is for the 2018 MB. Last year at Gen Con there were 4 dungeons pulling from the same pool. This year there will be only 3 dungeons pulling from the same pool. This likely means there will be less pulls from that poll. That is all I am saying. Granted we don't know what treasure enchancers those 3 dungeons worth will have, but I would be willing to bet that the overall total will be less than 4 dungeon's worth of pulls from last year. If the ratio of MB in the treasure pool is the same as last year then it will be less monster bits overall. I am not saying that is good or bad. If it is also 6 bits then there will be less of any individual MB as well. Again not saying good or bad.

No, I understand there will be fewer people drawing from the Nx-pool. I’m suggesting those people will be drawing a higher average treasure-per-person, because many of the 3-pull players are moving to Pit, leaving the 19-pull players in the other three. Things are changing so fast I’ve lost track of whether Pit is drawing from the same pool as the others.

I agree with your basic point; I would guess the total treasure drawn will be a few percent lower, because some 19-pull players are going to run Pit. I just don’t think it will be as drastic as 25% lower just because there will be 25% fewer main dungeons. It could be only a couple percent. But it certainly won’t go up.

The title says “return” to six monster bit tokens... what year had six?

Mongo wrote: The title says “return” to six monster bit tokens... what year had six?

It was only two years out of the last 12.
I’m not really a fan of the idea.

2006-2008: 3
2009-2010: 6
2011: 5
2012-2017: 4


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Mongo wrote: The title says “return” to six monster bit tokens... what year had six?

2009 Creeper Thorn
2009 Harpy Talon
2009 Mimic Slime
2009 Ogre Tusk
2009 Satyr Wine
2009 Skeleton Tooth
2010 Chain Devil Ichor
2010 Dragon Tooth
2010 Gelatinous Slime
2010 Ice Demon Tongue
2010 Minotaur Horn
2010 Orc Ear

The value of Monster Ingredient Tokens and Golden Fleece has really been dropping recently, if we had six trophies again that might help slow that down, particularly if there are recipes like the Storyscape Transmute that require all six.