TOPIC: Proposed 2017 "special" Token Effects

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Harlax wrote:

brahmatos wrote: I think the AoW should not be +1 lvl. Negates ring and charm of heroism and some sets.

I think the dice roll should come back. Just my thoughts


1. 2 extra treasure token pulls.
2. +4 to one stat.
3. +4 to one save.
4. 1extra ring.
5. +4 to armor
6. +4 to spell damage / heal

If you look back at the history of AoW die rolls, +1 level has sometimes been one of possible outcomes

+1 level used to be awesome.

Now that we have seven other paths to 5th level, getting just +1 level from AoW is totally meh, IMO. Power creep strikes again.

It would still be a decent way to get a lvl bump if you didn't have another. It is only 1 UR without a negative.

I agree +1 was considered amazing. Now its almost a given to have at least 3 in a run be 5th.

jedibcg wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Harlax wrote:

brahmatos wrote: I think the AoW should not be +1 lvl. Negates ring and charm of heroism and some sets.

I think the dice roll should come back. Just my thoughts


1. 2 extra treasure token pulls.
2. +4 to one stat.
3. +4 to one save.
4. 1extra ring.
5. +4 to armor
6. +4 to spell damage / heal

If you look back at the history of AoW die rolls, +1 level has sometimes been one of possible outcomes

+1 level used to be awesome.

Now that we have seven other paths to 5th level, getting just +1 level from AoW is totally meh, IMO. Power creep strikes again.

It would still be a decent way to get a lvl bump if you didn't have another. It is only 1 UR without a negative.

Didn't say it's worthless. Just saying that +1 level, like nostalgia, just ain't what it used to be.

Ya i got you.

jedibcg wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Harlax wrote:

brahmatos wrote: I think the AoW should not be +1 lvl. Negates ring and charm of heroism and some sets.

I think the dice roll should come back. Just my thoughts


1. 2 extra treasure token pulls.
2. +4 to one stat.
3. +4 to one save.
4. 1extra ring.
5. +4 to armor
6. +4 to spell damage / heal

If you look back at the history of AoW die rolls, +1 level has sometimes been one of possible outcomes

+1 level used to be awesome.

Now that we have seven other paths to 5th level, getting just +1 level from AoW is totally meh, IMO. Power creep strikes again.

It would still be a decent way to get a lvl bump if you didn't have another. It is only 1 UR without a negative.

I'd want it to be a bonus with a static effect including +1 level instead of a die roll though. I'd have the group outfitted for 5th Level otherwise, not taking the 5/6 chance that the die roll wouldn't yield +1 Level.

Just say no to die rolls.

To be completely clear, does the AoW effect triple all runestones, or just the first one?

Could you get +12 damage from showing and turning in 3 runestones with 2 fitting bases, or would it be +6 (one tripled and 3 turned in)?

Another question on the AoW,

Would spell damage include the bonus from Bardsong, damage to monsters from drinking certain potions, or using scrolls that cause damage to monsters?

Thank you,
Edwin

edwin wrote: Another question on the AoW,

Would spell damage include the bonus from Bardsong, damage to monsters from drinking certain potions, or using scrolls that cause damage to monsters?

Thank you,
Edwin

AoW triples only the first runestone, if you turn it in. Doubles if you don't.

Bard song and drinking potions don't damage monsters directly. They increase other damage, so there's no reason to think the AoW would effectively sextuple a runestone.

As for scrolls and wands - it does say "all damage," but scrolls also cannot in general be modified, so TPTB would have to rule on what happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object, if they haven't already.

edwin wrote: The reason I asked was for a Potion of Black Dragon Breath or Green Dragon Breath...

Oh, yes. I was thinking of Bulls Strength

Brad Mortensen wrote:

edwin wrote: Another question on the AoW,

Would spell damage include the bonus from Bardsong, damage to monsters from drinking certain potions, or using scrolls that cause damage to monsters?

Thank you,
Edwin

AoW triples only the first runestone, if you turn it in. Doubles if you don't.

Bard song and drinking potions don't damage monsters directly. They increase other damage, so there's no reason to think the AoW would effectively sextuple a runestone.

As for scrolls and wands - it does say "all damage," but scrolls also cannot in general be modified, so TPTB would have to rule on what happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object, if they haven't already.

To my understanding, the AoW will triple the rhinestone if it is shown, with another point possible if it is turned in.

I agree with you that I can't imagine anything affecting wands and scrolls.

bpsymington wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

edwin wrote: Another question on the AoW,

Would spell damage include the bonus from Bardsong, damage to monsters from drinking certain potions, or using scrolls that cause damage to monsters?

Thank you,
Edwin

AoW triples only the first runestone, if you turn it in. Doubles if you don't.

Bard song and drinking potions don't damage monsters directly. They increase other damage, so there's no reason to think the AoW would effectively sextuple a runestone.

As for scrolls and wands - it does say "all damage," but scrolls also cannot in general be modified, so TPTB would have to rule on what happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object, if they haven't already.

To my understanding, the AoW will triple the rhinestone if it is shown, with another point possible if it is turned in.

You're right, I got confused